Conservation of Energy of a bear question

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the conservation of energy as a bear slides down a tree. The specific focus is on calculating changes in gravitational potential energy, kinetic energy, and the average frictional force acting on the bear during the slide.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss setting up an energy bar chart and the relationship between gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. Questions arise about calculating the frictional force and whether to assume constant acceleration. There is also consideration of using Newton's second law versus conservation of energy principles.

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Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including calculating potential energy and kinetic energy. Some have suggested using conservation of energy principles, while others are questioning their assumptions about the scenario. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the setup of the problem.

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Participants note that the problem involves a bear sliding down a tree, and there is some confusion about the nature of the slide, with one participant initially thinking of it as an inclined surface. There is also mention of missing information regarding the frictional force and kinetic friction coefficient.

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A 28 kg bear slides, from rest, 6 m down a lodgepole pine tree, moving with a speed of 5.9 m/s just before hitting the ground.


(a) What change occurs in the gravitational potential energy of the bear-Earth system during the slide?
(b) What is the kinetic energy of the bear just before hitting the ground?
(c) What is the average frictional force that acts on the bear?

To start off with i set up an energy bar chart and i know that it begins with gravitational energy and ends with kinetic energy. The kinetic energy is Ek=1/2mv^2 so that's the answer for b. I'm not sure how to find the frictional force on the bear though, and i think i need that before i can figure out the change in the gravitational energy. I think that the frictional force would equal the product of the kinetic friction coefficient and the normal force. But i keep coming up with the wrong answers so I'm not sure.
 
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brittkub1291 said:
A 28 kg bear slides, from rest, 6 m down a lodgepole pine tree, moving with a speed of 5.9 m/s just before hitting the ground.


(a) What change occurs in the gravitational potential energy of the bear-Earth system during the slide?
(b) What is the kinetic energy of the bear just before hitting the ground?
(c) What is the average frictional force that acts on the bear?

To start off with i set up an energy bar chart and i know that it begins with gravitational energy and ends with kinetic energy. The kinetic energy is Ek=1/2mv^2 so that's the answer for b. I'm not sure how to find the frictional force on the bear though, and i think i need that before i can figure out the change in the gravitational energy.
No, the change in the gravitational Potential Energy is its PE at the bottom of the slide minus its PE at the top of the slide. In calculating PE, you can use any convenient reference point.
I think that the frictional force would equal the product of the kinetic friction coefficient and the normal force. But i keep coming up with the wrong answers so I'm not sure.
Yes, but neither is given. Instead, either use Newton 2 or conservation of total energy.
 
Okay well i would have to use F=ma to find the frictional force right? I'm getting confused because i don't know the acceleration, should i just assume constant?
 
Okay, I'm thinking maybe i should just scratch using N2L, what if i just use the equation for gravitational energy, so Eg=(28kg)(9.8m/s)(6m) which gives me 1646.4. Then to find the change i would subtract the kinetic energy of the bear at the bottom of the slide to give me the change in gravitational energy?
 
Okay, lol that was it. I think the main problem was i was thinking that this tree was like at an incline, like he was sliding down it like a slide. Yeah i deffinately overthought this one.
 

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