Why Does Kinetic Energy Increase When Mass Falls Towards Earth?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy in the context of a mass falling towards Earth. Participants explore the implications of energy conservation, the role of work, and the concept of a "worker" in this energy transformation process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference the definition of potential energy and question how kinetic energy increases when a mass falls, given that energy is conserved.
  • One participant suggests that a falling mass may not do work and questions whether the kinetic energy truly increases.
  • Another participant asserts that the gravitational potential energy decreases while kinetic energy increases, emphasizing energy conservation.
  • There is a challenge regarding the meaning of a "worker" in this context, with some arguing that a worker does not gain or lose potential energy unless they are the object being worked on.
  • Participants discuss two scenarios regarding energy conservation: one where potential energy equals kinetic energy in free fall, and another where some energy is transformed into work done by a worker, affecting the kinetic energy.
  • There is a suggestion that in the case of a falling mass, there is no external "worker" involved, complicating the energy transformation discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of a worker in energy transformation and whether total mechanical energy is conserved. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding definitions of potential energy and the conditions under which energy conservation applies. There are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying the concept of a worker and the specific scenarios being discussed.

Miraj Kayastha
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" The potential energy U is equal to the work you must do against that force to move an object from the U=0 reference point to the position r. The force you must exert to move it must be equal but oppositely directed."

The above definition is from hyperphysics.

U = -GMm/R

According to the above definition, potential energy of the earth-mass system decreases and the potential energy of the worker increases, when a mass if falling towards earth.

Then why does kinetic energy increase on falling if the energy is conserved?
 
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Does your in-falling mass do any work? Is there a "worker" whose potential energy somehow increases?
If so is the kinetic energy really increasing?

These are the questions you have to ask for answering this.

A falling mass can be that of an old pendulum clock. Which had a couple of unbalanced masses that drove the whole system. The bigger mass drops towards the ground decreasing it's potential energy. The Clock mechanism uses that energy to do work (it's rotation, friction etc.). All in all the mass will move at a very slow constant speed, having a very small portion of it's initial potential energy transformed into real kinetic energy.
This would be the case for a falling mass that does work, it's potential does not go completely into kinetic.
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
According to the above definition, potential energy of the earth-mass system decreases and the potential energy of the worker increases, when a mass if falling towards earth.
When a mass falls to the Earth the only force acting is gravity. The gravitational potential energy decreases and the kinetic energy increases.

Then why does kinetic energy increase on falling if the energy is conserved?
To conserve energy!
 
When you say "the potential energy of the worker", that does not have meaning. The worker just does work. He is not the one gaining or losing potential energy, unless he is also the object being worked on.
 
So the worker gains energy but the total mechanical energy is not conserved?
 
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Miraj Kayastha said:
But the definition tells the work done against the force of gravity, so something other than the Earth is doing work
No, that's just how you can define the potential at a given point. Once it's defined--you have the formula describing it--you no longer need that imaginary worker exerting a force.
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
So the worker gains energy but the total mechanical energy is not conserved?
In the case of the falling mass there is no external "worker".
 
Miraj Kayastha said:
So the worker gains energy but the total mechanical energy is not conserved?

There are two cases and I don't know which you refer to.
1. Epotential=Ekinetic (free-falling mass no work done on a "worker" whatsoever)
2. Epotential=Ekinetic+Uwork (some energy is is transformed into the work of the "worker")

While in case 2 there is still some kinetic energy it is smaller by exactly the amount of work that has been done. The mass will move slower. Of course both potential energies are the same.
So energy is conserved.
 

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