Conservation of Linear Momentum and Inelastic Collisons

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conservation of linear momentum in inelastic collisions, exploring the relationship between momentum and kinetic energy during such events. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on how momentum can be conserved when kinetic energy is not, examining theoretical and conceptual aspects of collisions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about how momentum can be conserved in inelastic collisions when kinetic energy is not conserved, questioning the underlying principles.
  • One participant explains that during collisions, while individual velocities change, the total momentum remains constant, as momentum lost by one object is gained by another.
  • Another participant illustrates a scenario with two objects of equal mass, discussing how their momentum remains zero before and after a completely inelastic collision, while kinetic energy is transformed into heat.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes Newton's third law, stating that forces during collisions are equal and opposite, which helps maintain momentum conservation despite changes in kinetic energy due to deformation.
  • Participants highlight that the conservation of momentum is independent of kinetic energy conservation, with one noting that the energy may convert into other forms, such as heat, during inelastic collisions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle that momentum is conserved in collisions, but there is disagreement and confusion regarding the implications of kinetic energy not being conserved in inelastic collisions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' arguments depend on specific definitions of momentum and kinetic energy, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of energy transformation during collisions.

1MileCrash
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I don't understand how inelastic collisions still conserve momentum.

If kinetic energy is not conserved, velocity must change, and the mass obviously doesn't change, how can momentum be conserved? It makes no sense to me at all.
 
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During collisions (where mass is constant) velocity generally changes .However it changes such that momentum is conserved i.e if one body gains momemtum(increase in velocity along initial direction) the other loses momentum(loss in velocity along initial direction)

So mu+MV is constant where m, M are mass and u and V are velocity vectors at any instance.

During collision u and V can change however the sum mu+MV muat remain constant.

This in no way implies that mu^2/2 +MV*2/2 is constant.

So sum of kinetic energy may or may not remain constant.

For eg: take m =1 M =5
And u1 =3 and V1= 4 (all in SI units)
after collision suppose u2=-2
So V2 has to become 5.

So not only is individual kinetic energy of bodies changing after collisions, the sum of kinetic energies is also changing.
 
1MileCrash said:
I don't understand how inelastic collisions still conserve momentum.

If kinetic energy is not conserved, velocity must change, and the mass obviously doesn't change, how can momentum be conserved? It makes no sense to me at all.

Suppose I have two objects, same mass, both at rest. Momentum and kinetic energy is zero.

Now consider the same two objects, but one is moving left at speed u, the other is moving right at speed u. Momentum is still zero (mu + -mu = 0) but the kinetic energy is not zero.

If they collide head-on and stick together (completely inelastic collision) they end up both at rest. Momentum is conserved because it's zero either way. Kinetic energy isn't conserved, but the total energy is conserved; all the pre-collision kinetic energy has turned into heat.
 
Momentum is conserved because of Newton's law, every force has an equal and opposite force. If one object pushes the other for some time with an average force of F, it feel on itself in the other direction the same force F for the same time. Since force is proportional to mass and acceleration, if one is twice the mass of the other, it feels half the acceleration, four times then one fourth etc. Since the acceleration lasts the same time, the velocity times mass stays the same if you consider both of them (eg a five times heavier object's velocity changes five times less, while a five times lighter objects velocity changes five times more, if you multiply momentums together and add them up, they stay the same before and after the collision).

The energy might not be conserved, because as one object collides into the other, it causes deformation and depending on whether the deformation pushes back or stays deformed (increasing heat) the kinetic energy is conserved or not. The momentum is still conserved, because the force needed to cause the deformation is still felt by both of the objects for the same time, but if the deformation is not elastic it uses up some of the potential to do work.
 

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