Conservation of momentum continous mass flow freight cart.

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The discussion revolves around the application of conservation of momentum in two worked examples involving a coal car and a freight cart. Participants are exploring the differences in how initial time is defined in each example and the implications of these definitions on the analysis of momentum.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the reasoning behind the choice of initial time in two different examples. Some participants question whether starting at time = 0 in the second example leads to an overly simplified scenario that does not accurately reflect the problem's dynamics.

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Participants are actively engaging with the material, clarifying the differences in approach between the two examples. There is a recognition that the second example introduces an arbitrary later time, which may be necessary for deriving differential equations, while the first example can be solved directly using conservation of momentum without this complexity.

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There is a mention of potential confusion due to incorrect links provided by participants, which may have affected the clarity of the discussion. The need to analyze the appropriateness of different initial time choices is also highlighted.

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Homework Statement


I am having difficulty understanding why in 2.1 Worked Example Coal Car on page 3 One can use the initial time as time = 0, but 2.2 Worked example on page 4 they start the initial time at an arbitrary time t.


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because in the second example if you start with the initial time =0 then the initial momentum is zero because it is initially at rest and this simplifies the second example to a solutions similar to the first. But that is wrong.
 
your two links point to the same page, and I can't see anything there that matches either description.
 
Thank you I put up the wrong link. Here is the correct link:
 
In each case they start at t=0. In 2.2 they also consider some arbitrary later time t and an interval δt from there. That is normal when deriving differential equations. In 2.1 they did not need to do that; they could solve the problem just by considering t=0 and t=tf and applying conservation of momentum. Whether such an approach was available in 2.2 I've not tried to analyse.
 

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