Conservation of Momentum in Classical Field Theory

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum in classical field theory, particularly how translational symmetry leads to the derivation of the energy-momentum tensor and the associated conserved quantities. Participants explore the implications of Noether's theorem and the mathematical justification for momentum conservation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains that translational symmetry leads to the derivation of the energy-momentum tensor and suggests that this results in the conservation of momentum.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical approach to show that the time derivative of the momentum \( P^{i} \) is zero, relying on the properties of the Lagrangian and translation invariance.
  • A third participant expresses uncertainty about whether the derived quantity is indeed the momentum, despite acknowledging its conservation.
  • Another participant suggests examining specific Lagrangians to clarify the nature of the conserved quantities.
  • One participant asserts that the conserved quantity associated with spatial translations is defined as momentum, linking it to the definitions of energy and momentum in the context of translations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the mathematical derivation of momentum conservation, but there remains uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the conserved quantities as momentum. Multiple views on the clarity of this interpretation are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants suggest that concrete examples of Lagrangians could help clarify the discussion, indicating that the current arguments may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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In classical field theory, translational (in space and time) symmetry leads the derivation of the energy-momentum tensor using Noether's theorem.

From this it is possible to derive four conserved charges. The first turns out to be the Hamiltonian, and thus we have energy conservation.

The remaining three turn out to be
Pi=-∫d3aiφa
where φa are fields and πa are their conjugate momentum densities. It is often stated that these are the three (physical) momentum components, and so we have conservation of momentum. Is there an easy way to see that this is true?
 
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fayled said:
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Is there an easy way to see that this is true?
If you are asking to prove that \frac{d}{dt}P^{i} = 0 , then the answer to your question is an easy yes. Translation invariance means that the Lagrangian, \mathcal{L}(\varphi_{a},\dot{\varphi}_{a},\partial_{k}\varphi_{a}) , has no explicit x^{k}-dependence, i.e., \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = 0 . This implies that \int d^{3}x \ \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = 0 .

The rest is just algebra: Calculate \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} and use the equation of motion to obtain

0 = \int d^{3}x \ \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = \frac{d}{dt} \int d^{3}x \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\varphi_{a}}} \ \partial^{i}\varphi_{a} + \int d^{3}x \ \partial_{k}\left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{k} \varphi_{a}} \ \partial^{i}\varphi_{a}\right) . The second term vanishes by the divergence theorem, and the first term is just \frac{d}{dt}P^{i}.
 
samalkhaiat said:
If you are asking to prove that \frac{d}{dt}P^{i} = 0 , then the answer to your question is an easy yes. Translation invariance means that the Lagrangian, \mathcal{L}(\varphi_{a},\dot{\varphi}_{a},\partial_{k}\varphi_{a}) , has no explicit x^{k}-dependence, i.e., \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = 0 . This implies that \int d^{3}x \ \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = 0 .

The rest is just algebra: Calculate \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} and use the equation of motion to obtain

0 = \int d^{3}x \ \partial^{i}\mathcal{L} = \frac{d}{dt} \int d^{3}x \ \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\varphi_{a}}} \ \partial^{i}\varphi_{a} + \int d^{3}x \ \partial_{k}\left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \partial_{k} \varphi_{a}} \ \partial^{i}\varphi_{a}\right) . The second term vanishes by the divergence theorem, and the first term is just \frac{d}{dt}P^{i}.

I'm happy that this quantity is conserved - It just isn't very clear that it is in fact the momentum.
 
Then you should consider some concrete Lagrangians (for example the Lagrangian of electromagnetic, long elastic rod, sound wave, etc.). Or you can use the argument of relativistic covariance.
 
Well, it's momentum by definition, because the conserved quantity that's conserved because of spatial translations is called momentum (as for temporal translations it's called energy).
 

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