Conservation of momentum in compton scattering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum in the context of Compton scattering, specifically addressing how momentum should be treated in vector form versus using absolute values. Participants explore the implications of vector conservation laws in problems involving collisions between photons and electrons.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions receiving feedback that momentum is conserved "only componentwise," prompting questions about the general and specific applications of momentum conservation in Compton scattering.
  • Another participant clarifies that momentum conservation is a vector expression, emphasizing that all terms in the equation should be treated as vectors and that components can be split accordingly.
  • A different participant reinforces that momentum is a vector quantity, stating that knowing only the magnitudes is insufficient without direction information.
  • One participant suggests a more explicit approach to the conservation equations, recommending the use of components in a chosen coordinate system to simplify the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of treating momentum as a vector quantity, but there is some confusion regarding the interpretation of the feedback received and the implications of using absolute values versus vector components. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to apply in specific problems.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the coordinate system and the treatment of vector components in the conservation equations. The discussion does not resolve how these assumptions affect the application of momentum conservation in Compton scattering.

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Hi

I recently got some weird feedback on homework. It said that "..momentum is only conserved componentwise..". The problem involved Compton scattering, and I had used [itex]p_{\lambda,1} = p_{e,2} + p_{\lambda,2}[/itex] to find [itex]p_{e,2}[/itex] for collision between an electon and a photon. I had used the absolute values for the momenta because that was all I had.

So, in the general case, how is momentum conserved? Also, in the specific case, how should it be used in problems like the one above?
 
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The feedback is a little confusing. Especially the "only" part.
It's not that it does not conserve otherwise but the momentum is a vector and so the conservation law is a vector expression.
So in your expression above, all three terms should be vectors. Then you can split it by components - this is what they say.
If you want to look at the absolute values, than you should realize that the absolute value of the sum of two vectors (as yo have on the right-hand side) is not the sum of the absolute values. So the equation does not hold as you wrote it, if these are absolute values.
 
Momentum is a vector quantity, so what is conserved is a vector. The sum of the magnitudes may not be conserved. If you only have the magnitudes then you don't really have enough information. You also need to know the directions to use momentum.

EDIT: and its nasu for the win!
 
Avatrin said:
I had used [itex]p_{\lambda,1} = p_{e,2} + p_{\lambda,2}[/itex]

More explicitly, you should have started with $$p_{\lambda,1,x} = p_{e,2,x} + p_{\lambda,2,x} \\ p_{\lambda,1,y} = p_{e,2,y} + p_{\lambda,2,y}$$ For convenience, we usually choose the coordinate system so the incoming photon enters along the x-axis which makes ##p_{\lambda,1,y} = 0##. You don't need to consider a third component because the three vectors define a plane.
 
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Thank you all!
 

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