Conservation of momentum on relativistic collisions

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The discussion centers on calculating the threshold energy for a relativistic collision involving particles A and B, as described in Griffiths' "Introduction to Elementary Particle Physics." The threshold energy is derived using the equation (M² - m²A - m²B) / (2mB), where M represents the total mass of the resultant particles. Participants clarify the conservation of momentum and energy-momentum four-vectors, emphasizing that the final momentum state should be represented as pμf = (M, 0) when products are at rest. The conclusion highlights the importance of understanding invariant properties in relativistic physics.

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1. Homework Statement

( This question is from the textbook of Introduction to Elementary Particle Physics, written by Griffiths, on the problem set of Chapter 3 )

Particle A (energy E) hits particle B (at rest), producing particles C1, C2, ...: A + B → C1 + C2 + ... + CN. Calculate the threshold (i.e. minimum E) for this reaction, in terms of the various particle masses.

[ Answer: ( M2 - m2A - m2B ) / ( 2mB ), where M = m1 + m2 + ... + mn ]

2. Homework Equations

Assuming that c = 1 and h = 1,

Before collision:
pμ i = ( EA + mB , pA )

After collision:
pμ f = ( M , 0 )
, where M = m1 + m2 + ... + mn
, and subsctibe i and f represents initial and final state of collision.

pμpμ = m2

3. The Attempt at a Solution

I calculated the answer but I do not understand why momentum pA seems to be not conserved if I want to get the answer.

(a). I assumed that the energy-momentum four vector is conserved.

(b). I simply calculate ( pμi )2 = ( pμf )2, then I solve for EA .
⇒ ( EA + mB )2 - pA2 = M 2
, then I solved for EA by subsituting pA2 with EA2 = mA2 + pA2

(c) My question is: why should I consider the final momentum state as:
pμf = ( M, 0 )
, but not something like:
pμf = ( Ej + M , pCj )
for M = M - mj
Shouldn't the momentum be conserved, just like a ball hitting a bunch of balls when playing snooker?
 
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You are computing a Lorentz invariant. This has the same value in all inertial frames and you can therefore just as well compute it in the CoM frame.
 
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Lukanol said:
(c) My question is: why should I consider the final momentum state as:
pμf = ( M, 0 )
, but not something like:
pμf = ( Ej + M , pCj )
for M = M - mj
Shouldn't the momentum be conserved, just like a ball hitting a bunch of balls when playing snooker?
##p^\mu_\text{f} = (M,0)## is wrong. You should say it's ##p^\mu_\text{f} = (E,\vec{p}_\text{A})##. You got the right answer because your calculation involves only ##p_\text{f}^2##, which is an invariant.
 
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Does that mean, for the equation below, $$\left( E_A + m_B \right)^2 - \vec p_A^2 = M^2,$$ I actually used the invariant property of ## (p_f^\mu)^2 = M^2 ## on the right-hand side, while on the left-hand side I used the "dot product" of ## (p_i^\mu)^2 ##?

But then why:$$ \frac {M^2- m_A^2 - m_B^2} {2m_B},$$ is the threshold (minimum E) for this reaction?
If the reaction is explosive, such that particle ## C_1, C_2, ..., C_N## has momentum ##\vec p_1, \vec p_2, ..., \vec p_n##. If they adds up to ##\vec p_A = \vec p_1 + \vec p_2 + ... + \vec p_n##, our result seems to be the same because the right-hand side is invariant.
 
Ahh sorry, I figured it out just after posting.
 
The threshold occurs when the products are at relative rest. Therefore, in their rest frame ##P_f = (M,0)## and consequently ##P_f^2 = M^2##.
 
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