Conservation of momentum question

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of angular momentum in the context of rapidly-spinning neutron stars and black holes, particularly as they collapse. Participants explore the implications of such collapses on the speed of spin and the nature of singularities, touching on concepts from general relativity and the characteristics of black holes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what happens to the conservation of angular momentum as a rapidly-spinning neutron star collapses to a singularity, particularly regarding the speed of spin and whether it approaches the speed of light.
  • Another participant asserts that neutron stars do not collapse to a singularity and provides information about their typical size and mass.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of black holes, stating that they can possess angular momentum and charge, and asks about the implications of a black hole's circumference shrinking on its rate of spin.
  • One participant notes that inside the event horizon of a black hole, a ring singularity exists, and discusses the limitations of current understanding regarding the behavior of rotating black holes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of neutron stars and their collapse, with some asserting they do not collapse to singularities while others explore the implications of such a collapse. The discussion about black holes introduces additional complexity, with no consensus reached on the effects of circumference on spin or the nature of singularities.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the behavior of neutron stars and black holes, particularly in relation to angular momentum and the transition to singularities. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding among participants about the underlying physics.

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Ok, I've been wondering about this question for many years and I don't know whether I just don't understand the basic concepts enough.

If you have a rapidly-spinning neutron star that continues to collapse down to a singularity, what happens to the conservation of angular momentum from the spin? As the circumference of the neutron star approaches zero, what happens to the speed of the spin? Would it actually have to approach c? Would the energy get bled off into some other form?
 
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When I clicked on this link I thought that there might be a 1kg mass in a completely elastic collision with something :wink:. Cool question though, sorry I don't know squat about this kinda stuff.
 
CuriousInPA said:
If you have a rapidly-spinning neutron star that continues to collapse down to a singularity, what happens to the conservation of angular momentum from the spin? As the circumference of the neutron star approaches zero, what happens to the speed of the spin? Would it actually have to approach c? Would the energy get bled off into some other form?
Well, neutron stars do not collapse to a singularity; they typically are about 20km in diameter, with masses on the order of the sun.

Read about rotation here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star#Rotation

It suggests newborn (i.e. fastest) neutron stars rotate on the order of once per second, which with a circumference of a mere 64km, is quite slow.
 
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dacruick said:
When I clicked on this link I thought that there might be a 1kg mass in a completely elastic collision with something :wink:. Cool question though, sorry I don't know squat about this kinda stuff.

Thanks. Not sure if I've posted this in the right section, though.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Well, neutrons tars do not collapse to a singularity; they typically are about 20km in diameter, with masses on the order of the sun.

Ok, then if a star is collapsing down past neutron star stage and it was spinning, does that apply?
 
CuriousInPA said:
Thanks. Not sure if I've posted this in the right section, though.

You definitely did, I didn't even read the category
 
A black hole can have angular momentum and charge. In fact, externally, once stabilized, a black hole is fully characterized by mass, charge, and angular momentum.
 
PAllen said:
A black hole can have angular momentum and charge. In fact, externally, once stabilized, a black hole is fully characterized by mass, charge, and angular momentum.

Cool. So, as the circumference of the black hole shrinks, the rate of spin increases, correct? If the circumference approaches zero, what happens to the rate of spin? Would this have any effect on a practical limit to how small a black hole could become?
 
CuriousInPA said:
Cool. So, as the circumference of the black hole shrinks, the rate of spin increases, correct? If the circumference approaches zero, what happens to the rate of spin? Would this have any effect on a practical limit to how small a black hole could become?

Externally you get event horizon(s). Inside the event horizon you get a ring singularity. A point singularity only occurs for a non-rotating black hole. In GR, spacetime curvature (the metric) can incorporate angular momentum, so the complete black hole structure can be said to have angular momentum. Inside the horizon, nobody believes the idealized Kerr black hole describes what would really happen. This is outside currently understood physics (IMO).
 

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