Constant Power to a Varying Load

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenge of delivering constant power to a varying load, specifically focusing on the technical approaches and circuit designs that could achieve this goal. Participants explore various methods, including the use of amplifiers and analog multipliers, while addressing the complexities involved in maintaining a constant power output regardless of load resistance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the clarity of the initial query regarding delivering constant power to a varying load.
  • Another participant suggests monitoring voltage and current, using a microcontroller to adjust voltage to maintain the desired power output.
  • Several participants propose circuit designs involving differential amplifiers and analog multipliers, discussing specific components like the AD633 and AD734 from Analog Devices.
  • There are suggestions to incorporate logarithmic amplifiers and summing amplifiers into the design, with discussions on the accuracy of components like transistors for logarithmic functions.
  • Concerns are raised about the accuracy of common diodes for logarithmic applications, prompting discussions on alternative components.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the calculations for resistor values and the gain settings for operational amplifiers in their proposed circuits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on circuit design and component selection, with no clear consensus on the best approach to achieve constant power delivery to a varying load.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations regarding the accuracy of components and the need for precise calculations, particularly concerning the gain of operational amplifiers and the characteristics of logarithmic elements.

fobos3
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Is there a way to deliver constant power to a varying load. Any ideas will be appreciated.
 
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Could you elaborate please - the question doesn't seem to make much sense.
 
russ_watters said:
Could you elaborate please - the question doesn't seem to make much sense.

Say you have a resistor with resistance R. What I want is to deliver say 1W to the resistor no matter it's resistance.
 
Monitor the voltage across the resistor and the current through it. In a microcontroller multiply the voltage and current and compare to desired power setting. Adjust the voltage until calculated power matches the desired power.
 
I've attached my idea.

U2 is a differential amplifier with gain 1. U1 is there to make sure the voltage at + and - is the same.
 

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fobos3 said:
I've attached my idea.

U2 is a differential amplifier with gain 1. U1 is there to make sure the voltage at + and - is the same.

the idea is good. i think R1 should be lower resistance and U2 gain be larger.

what do you plan to use for your analog multiplyer? you might want to look into something from Analog Devices, say the AD633 or AD734 or something like that. you can get some of them pretty cheap ($8) at Digi-Key.

you also want to have some pot in there to set and control the power.
 
rbj said:
the idea is good. i think R1 should be lower resistance and U2 gain be larger.

what do you plan to use for your analog multiplyer? you might want to look into something from Analog Devices, say the AD633 or AD734 or something like that. you can get some of them pretty cheap ($8) at Digi-Key.

you also want to have some pot in there to set and control the power.

I was thinking with two log amplifiers then a summing amplifier and exponential amplifier.

[tex]e^{\ln a+\ln b}=ab[/tex]

With something like LM324(quad) which costs 10p(£0.10). I'll post a circuit tomorrow because I'm too tired now.

P.S.
I just found that it costs $1.69 on Radio Shack. You've got to love the uni labs. :biggrin:
 
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fobos3 said:
I was thinking with two log amplifiers then a summing amplifier and exponential amplifier.

[tex]e^{\ln a+\ln b}=ab[/tex]

With something like LM324(quad) which costs 10p(£0.10).

you still need a logarithmic element (actually 3 of them). run-of-the-mill diodes don't follow the curve good enough. what do you plan to use for that?
 
rbj said:
you still need a logarithmic element (actually 3 of them). run-of-the-mill diodes don't follow the curve good enough. what do you plan to use for that?

Transistors. Here's my final schematics. I haven't calculated the values of the resistors so all are 10k.

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Still need to figure out the gain for each op amp taking into account the offset voltage. In particular the log amplifiers.
 

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fobos3 said:
Transistors.

rots 'o ruk finding transistors true enough to the Ebers-Moll equation to be accurate loggers. this is how Analog Devices makes their money, by somehow designing accurate transistors for their logging functions.

Here's my final schematics. I haven't calculated the values of the resistors so all are 10k.

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Still need to figure out the gain for each op amp taking into account the offset voltage. In particular the log amplifiers.

also, make sure you're getting your polarities right. it looks like you are (with the inverting summing amp), but I'm a little concerned about the output of the exp amp.
 

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