Constant velocity and net force

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a man pushing a crate at constant velocity across a warehouse. The crate has a mass of 75 kg, and the man applies a force of 225 N at an angle of 15° down from the horizontal, with a coefficient of friction of 0.24. Participants are exploring the implications of the net force and the concept of work done on the crate.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the apparent contradiction between having a net force acting on the crate while it moves at constant velocity. Questions are raised about the nature of net force and acceleration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between net force and constant velocity, suggesting that the problem statement may contain an error. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces involved and the work done by the man versus the work done against friction.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem's description may not align with the principles of physics, particularly regarding net force and constant velocity. There is a focus on understanding the components of force and work in the context of the given scenario.

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Homework Statement


A man is pushing a 75 kg crate at constant
velocity a distance of 12 m across a warehouse.
He is pushing with a force of 225 N at an angle
of 15° down from the horizontal. The coefficient
of friction between the crate and the floor is
0.24. How much work did the man do on the
crate?


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The Attempt at a Solution


Fn = mg + 225sin15 = 794
Fnet = 217.33 - 190.5 = 26.83
26.83*12= 321 J
I did solve the question, but there is one thing that I don't understand:
How can the object have a net force (in this case, 26.83) and still move in constant velocity? Wouldn't it have a constant acceleration instead?
 
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How can the object have a net force (in this case, 26.83) and still move in constant velocity? Wouldn't it have a constant acceleration instead?
A constant net force means a constant acceleration - you are correct. There is no way a net force produces a constant velocity.
 
but then the question says that the box is moving at constant velocity when it was pushed 12m...
 
You calculated the net work done on the crate by both the man and frictional force. What is the work done on the crate by the man alone?

In regards to your question concerning the claim of the constant velocity of the crate, either the statement of the question is in error on this point or there is an additional force acting on the crate.
 
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Yeah - what he said: you have to have courage in what you observe.
The problem has described something that cannot happen.

You should check your ideas about force and work - W=Fd ... here, F would be the force exerted by the man in the direction of the motion.
 
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But aren't you looking at the net force that is generated from the man's push? If I would only account for the force that was exerted by the man, than I would get 225cos15*12 = 2608J, but the correct answer is 320 because I'm taking into account the normal force which is mg + 225sin15 = 794, then I multiply by the coefficient which gives me 190.56N and then I add the two forces (225cos15 - 190.56) which gives me 26.8 N, which I substitute to the formula to get 322 J, which is roughly what they were looking for.
Overall, the question's statement was wrong, and the box couldn't move at constant speed with a net force.
 
If I would only account for the force that was exerted by the man, than I would get 225cos15*12 = 2608J, but the correct answer is 320 because I'm taking into account the normal force
This is how the thinking went:

The man exerts normal and horizontal components. The total work done by the man is just the sum of the work done by each component.

What is the distance moved in the direction of the horizontal force?
Therefore, how much work is done by the horizontal force?

What is the distance moved in the direction of the normal force?
Therefore, how much work is done by the normal force?

Therefore: what is the total work done by the man?

But you are right - the question does ask for the amount of work done on the crate ... some of the total work is done on the ground (via friction). So the work done on the crate is the work done against friction subtracted from the total work done by the man.

Which would be the net force on the crate, multiplied by the distance traveled.
You could also do it by the work-energy relation and some kinematics - which could be an interesting way to check considering how they think it's a constant velocity.
 
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