Calculating work when 2 forces are present

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The problem involves calculating the work done by a man pushing a crate at a constant velocity across a surface with friction. The crate has a mass of 75 kg, and the man applies a force of 225 N at an angle of 15° down from the horizontal. The coefficient of friction is given as 0.24, and the distance moved is 12 m.

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of friction in calculating the work done by the man, with some suggesting that only the man's force should be considered. There are various attempts to compute the work using different methods and interpretations of the problem.

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The discussion includes multiple interpretations of how to calculate the work done, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the method to use, and participants are exploring different angles of reasoning.

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Some participants question the validity of the answer provided in the textbook, suggesting that it may be incorrect. There is also mention of the need to consider the normal force and its components in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


This should be an easy one. Please tell me what I am missing.

A man is pushing a 75 kg crate at constant
velocity a distance of 12 m across a warehouse.
He is pushing with a force of 225 N at an angle
of 15° down from the horizontal. The coefficient
of friction between the crate and the floor is
0.24. How much work did the man do on the
crate?

Given - m=75kg, Δd=12m, Fa=225N [15° down from hor], μ=.24

Homework Equations



Ffriction = μ*Fn
W = F*Δd*cosθ

The Attempt at a Solution


First attempt
Ffriction = 176.4N
So
W = F*Δd*cosθ
W = (225 - 176.4)*12*cos15
W = 563.33N/m (wrong answer)

Second attempt
W = F*Δd*cosθ
W = 225*12*cos15
W = 2608N/m

W = F*Δd*cosθ
W = 176.4*12*cos180
W = -2116.8N/m

W = 2608 - 2116.8
W = 491.2N/m (wrong answer)

I've tried so many combinations I can't seem to figure it out. The answer is 320N/m btw
Please tell me what I am doing wrong
 
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The thing is, it's the work the man is doing on the crate. So why is friction relevant?

It should just be

W_{man}=\int \mathbf{F}^{man} \cdot d\mathbf{r} = \int (F^{man}_{x},F^{man}_{y}) \cdot (dx, dy) =\int F^{man}_{x} dx=F^{man}_{x} \Delta x= F^{man} \cos \theta \Delta x

I computed that and got 2608 N/m. Maybe they meant the work done by both friction and the man. I also computed that but got 2525.08 N/m. Anyone else have any ideas? Am I just being an idiot? xD

Perhaps the answer in the back of the back is wrong. Maybe you should check with your prof.
 
The answer is 320N/m btw

Would you mean N-m for work.
 
ya n-m

does anyone have an answer for this though?
I found a question from the textbook that had a wrong answer in the back so I don't care about that answer anymore. I am starting to think my first attempt is the correct way. Can anyone confirm that for me please?
 
^Thing is, it's the work the MAN does on the crate. You just take the force from him into account, nothing else. So I think the second one is correct.
 
Total work done by the man minus the work he does in overcoming friction. That is 321.3 N-m . (Using g =9.91 m/s2)

Don't forget, when computing normal force that there is a component of the 225 force that's downward in addition to the weight of the box, mg. Therefore, the normal force must be equal but opposite to the sum of those downward forces.
 
Hmm. If the man is pushing the crate at a constant velocity, how is it that the horizontal component of the force he applies is greater than the friction force? Something got by the editors!
 

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