Constant water drop rate (via diffusion)?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a device that can release water droplets at a constant rate, exploring various methods including capillarity and diffusion. Participants consider both theoretical and practical aspects of the design, including the materials and mechanisms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a cloth partially submerged in water to achieve a constant droplet rate through diffusion, questioning its feasibility.
  • Another participant counters that the mechanism is based on capillarity rather than diffusion, noting that the droplet rate will vary depending on the height difference between the water surface and the cloth's end.
  • A different approach is proposed involving a tight container with a pipe and rope, which aims to maintain a constant fluid level to achieve a more consistent droplet rate.
  • Another participant mentions a method inspired by Hero of Alexandria, where a larger reservoir drips into a smaller container to maintain constant pressure and thus a steady drip rate.
  • One participant expresses a desire for a less precise mechanism, considering a capillary clock that would not require a constant rate.
  • Concerns are raised about the factors affecting droplet size and rate, including viscosity, surface tension, evaporation, temperature, humidity, and air circulation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to achieve a constant droplet rate. There are multiple competing views and approaches discussed, with some participants emphasizing the importance of capillarity and others suggesting different mechanisms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the effectiveness of the proposed methods may depend on various environmental factors and material properties, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Hi,

I need to make a simple and cheap device that I can water droplet at a constant rate (from a bucket of water).
The size of the droplet doesn't matter, it just needs to be dropping at a constant rate (at least for a day).

So I was thinking, can I achieve that by putting half of a cloth in the bucket, and the other half on the outside of the bucket. By doing that, the water should be sucked out of water because of diffusion, and the outside half of the cloth will be dropping water droplet at a constant rate.

Will this work?
Is ther any other way I can make a device that can drop water droplet at a constant rate (at least for a day)?
Is is there data out there that can help me with the diffusion rate for certain type of material?

Thank you very much!
 
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It can work, but this has nothing to do with diffusion. It is just capillarity that "sucks" the water and prime de siphon. But the rate will not be really constant. It will depend on the difference of height between the surface of the water in the bucket and the extremity of the rope (better than a cloth).
If you need a really constant rate, you must use a trick. Take a tight container (a big one) and a stopper. Put a pipe trough the stopper and adjust the pipe in order that its low opening is almost at the bottom of the water. Insert the rope through the pipe. It must not be tight. Air must pass freely between the rope and the inner wall of the pipe.
As the water is sucked, the level in the pipe will descent until it arrives at the lower extremity of the pipe. Then air bubbles will enter the container as the water is slowly sucked.
Now the distance which determines the drops rate is the height between the bottom of the pipe and the lower extremity of the rope.
 
lpfr said:
If you need a really constant rate, you must use a trick.
Basically idea is to have a vessel with constant fluid level (hence constant pressure despite that the reservoir empties).

lpfr's idea is equivalent to using the base of a bird-feeder as that vessel.

Another version (I think I got this one from Hero of Alexandria) is to have a large reservoir drip into a smaller container (quickly, so that the smaller container is constantly overflowing, and let the overflow be discarded down some other hose). Now, since the pressure (ie. level) in the smaller container remains constant, a tap at its bottom will drip at a constant rate.
 
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Thanks for the helps!
I don't really need the rate to be that consistence, just need to be accurate enough for a day.
I was thinking about suing the capillarity idea to make a water clock.
 
lpfr said:
It can work, but this has nothing to do with diffusion. It is just capillarity that "sucks" the water and prime de siphon. But the rate will not be really constant. It will depend on the difference of height between the surface of the water in the bucket and the extremity of the rope (better than a cloth).
If you need a really constant rate, you must use a trick. Take a tight container (a big one) and a stopper. Put a pipe trough the stopper and adjust the pipe in order that its low opening is almost at the bottom of the water. Insert the rope through the pipe. It must not be tight. Air must pass freely between the rope and the inner wall of the pipe.
As the water is sucked, the level in the pipe will descent until it arrives at the lower extremity of the pipe. Then air bubbles will enter the container as the water is slowly sucked.
Now the distance which determines the drops rate is the height between the bottom of the pipe and the lower extremity of the rope.

Thanks a lot for the tip.
But I'm not so sure what is the stopper, can I get that from places like homedepot?
Thanks a lot!
 
leoflc said:
Thanks a lot for the tip.
But I'm not so sure what is the stopper, can I get that from places like homedepot?
Thanks a lot!
The stopper is just the cap of the container or the cork of a bottle. It is what renders the container thigh. It comes with the container.

You can do a capillary clock, it can work. You can even consider entering the records book with the most imprecise clock in the world. The reason is that drop rate and drop size depend on viscosity of the water, surface tension of the water and evaporation rate. All this depend on the temperature. The evaporation rate depends also on air humidity and air circulation.
 

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