Constrained Extremes of z=2x^2+y^2 over Cosine Circles

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The discussion revolves around finding constrained extremes of the function z=2x^2+y^2 subject to the constraint defined by the equation cos(x^2+y^2)-1=0, which describes a family of circles in the xy-plane.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the constraint and the nature of the candidate extremes derived from the equations. There are discussions about the role of the parameter k and how it affects the values of x and y. Some participants suggest checking the function values for different k values to determine the extrema.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the implications of their findings and questioning the relationships between variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of the function for various k values, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach to take.

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There is a recognition of the complexity introduced by the parameter k, and participants are considering how different values of k might lead to different outcomes. Additionally, there are discussions about the geometric interpretation of the problem and how it relates to the function's behavior.

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I have some trouble with this exercise. It says as follows: Find the constrained extremes for [tex]z=2x^2+y^2[/tex] over [tex]\cos (x^2+y^2)-1=0[/tex]

I think that difficult of this problem is that I have a family of circles that satisfies [tex]\cos (x^2+y^2)-1=0[/tex], the family of circles with radius [tex]r=\sqrt[ ]{k \pi}[/tex].

This is what I did.

[tex]\cos (x^2+y^2)-1=0\Rightarrow{x^2+y^2=k \pi},k\in{Z}[/tex]
[tex]F(x,y,\lambda)=2x^2+y^2-\lambda(cos(x^2+y^2)-1)=0[/tex]

[tex]\begin{Bmatrix}F_x=4x+2\lambda x \sin(x^2+y^2)=0 & & (1)\\F_y=2y+2\lambda y \sin(x^2+y^2)=0 & & (2)\\F_{\lambda}=\cos(x^2+y^2)-1=0 & & (3)\end{matrix}[/tex]

From (1) and (2): [tex]4x-2y+(2\lambda \sin(x^2+y^2))(x-y)=0\Longrightarrow{2\lambda\sin(x^2+y^2)=\displaystyle\frac{4x-2y}{x-y}}[/tex] (*)

Replacing in (1)

[tex]4x+x \displaystyle\frac{4x-2y}{x-y}}=0\Rightarrow{4x(x-y)+x(4x-2y)=0}\Longrightarrow{x^2-4xy=0\longrightarrow{y=\displaystyle\frac{-x}{4}}}[/tex]

Replacing in (3)

[tex]x^2+(\displaystyle\frac{-x}{4})^2=k\pi\Rightarrow{x=\pm{\sqrt[ ]{\displaystyle\frac{16}{17}k\pi}}}[/tex]

Well, I'm not sure if this is okey. If it is, how should I proceed?
 
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On the first glance, it seems alright.

So you have found the candidate extremes [tex]\pm{\sqrt[ ]{\displaystyle\frac{16}{17}k\pi}}}[/tex]. Now you will all have to fill them in in the function 2x²+y² to see which ones are the real extrema.
 
But it will depends on "k". How do I handle it?

Thx for posting micromass ;)
 
Well, k is just a parameter. For every k we have a value. So letting k:1,2,3,... we have

[tex]\pm{\sqrt[ ]{\displaystyle\frac{16}{17}\pi}}},\pm{\sqrt[ ]{\displaystyle\frac{16}{17}2\pi}}},\pm{\sqrt[ ]{\displaystyle\frac{16}{17}3\pi}}},...[/tex]

So you will have an infinity of values you'll have to plug in the function.

Just try to figure out for which k 2x²+y² becomes maximal...

Hope that helped...
 
You mean I should consider when k is pair and when its odd?
 
Maybe it's simpler.

You wrote:
Replacing in (1): then y=-x/4

But what happens if we also replace in (2)? Then

[tex]2y+y\frac{4x-2y}{x-y}=0~\Rightarrow~ 2y(x-y)+y(4x-2y)=0~\Rightarrow~6xy-4y^2~\Rightarrow~3x=4y[/tex]

This is another constraint on x and y. Together with y=-x/4, this should limit the cases...
 
mm I think what I did is wrong. I've been thinking on how it looks, and the graph of z is an elliptic paraboloid, and the restrictions are circles. Then I've realized that the minimum would be when x=0, and the maximum when y=0, because what we are looking are the maximums on the projections of this circles on the paraboloid, its obvious as the function is "larger" on the x-axis that there would be a minimum there, and a maximum on the y-axis for every circle, and the absolute minimum when k=0=x=y. I think this is the right answer, and from the equations above one can see that this holds.

From (1) one can say that x=0 or [tex]\lambda=0[/tex]
And from (2) y=0 or [tex]\lambda=0[/tex], and from there I get this same conclusion, which I actually realized with a geometrical thinking.
 

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