Construct a 2x2 matrix that expresses a given transformation

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The discussion revolves around constructing a 2x2 matrix that represents a specific transformation, with a focus on the relationships between the matrix elements derived from given conditions. The original poster presents a set of equations based on the properties of nilpotent matrices.

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  • Participants discuss the implications of having a second-order equation in a linear algebra context, questioning whether this is typical or indicative of an error. They explore the relationships between the equations derived from the matrix elements and their linearity.

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Participants are actively analyzing the equations presented, with some clarifying the nature of the equations and others expressing confusion about the uniqueness of the solution. There is a recognition of the potential for multiple solutions arising from the intersection of linear and non-linear equations.

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There is mention of the original poster's concern regarding the presence of a non-linear equation among a set of linear equations, as well as the possibility of losing an equation through misinterpretation. Participants are also considering the implications of satisfying certain equations without explicit calculations.

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I have to costruct a 2x2 matrix so that :

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M =\begin{bmatrix}<br /> a &amp; b\\ c &amp;d<br /> \end{bmatrix}

Using the first bond i got : c+2d = 2a+4b (1)
using the second bond : d = -b (2)

And then, as a nilpotent matrix has det = 0 and tr = 0, i got

a+d-2=0 (3)
ad-a-d+1=bc (4)

The problem comes here, i get 4 equations with 4 variables, but the 4th equation is not linear, in fact it's a second order equation.
Is it possible that in a linear algebra problem i get an equation that's not linear , or i made some errors ?
 

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Aleoa said:
i get 4 equations with 4 variables
But your equation (1) is in fact two equations:
## a+2b = 1 \ \& \ c+2d = 2 \ ##. So you don't worry about your eq (4) which is in fact the 5th equation (luckily :rolleyes: it is satisfied).

Linear algebra has plenty higher order equations: think e.g. of finding eigenvalues.
 
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BvU said:
But your equation (1) is in fact two equations:
## a+2b = 1 \ \& \ c+2d = 2 \ ##. So you don't worry about your eq (4) which is in fact the 5th equation (luckily :rolleyes: it is satisfied).

Linear algebra has plenty higher order equations: think e.g. of finding eigenvalues.

But... if i try to solve the system of equations (1),(2),(3) I can't find a unique solution. Only if i add the fourth equation is can find it.

ps : It could have happened, that in an exercise like the one i posted, the intersection beetween the 3 linear equation with the second order equation gives multiple solutions ?
 
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Aleoa said:
But... if i try to solve the system of equations (1),(2),(3) I can't find a unique solution
Of course. You have lost one equation by writing " c+2d = 2a+4b "
instead of ##\ \ ## " ##\ \ ##c+2d = 2 ##\ \ ## and ##\ \ ##a+2b = 1 ##\ \ ## "

I wrote
BvU said:
luckily :rolleyes: it is satisfied
for equation 5. I leave it to you to prove that the solution of { (1a), (1b), (2), (3) } satisfies equation 5. There must be a good reason for that -- I don't believe in lucky coincidences.
 
BvU said:
But your equation (1) is in fact two equations:
## a+2b = 1 \ \& \ c+2d = 2 \ ##. So you don't worry about your eq (4) which is in fact the 5th equation (luckily :rolleyes: it is satisfied).

Linear algebra has plenty higher order equations: think e.g. of finding eigenvalues.
BvU said:
Of course. You have lost one equation by writing " c+2d = 2a+4b "
instead of ##\ \ ## " ##\ \ ##c+2d = 2 ##\ \ ## and ##\ \ ##a+2b = 1 ##\ \ ## "

I wrote
for equation 5. I leave it to you to prove that the solution of { (1a), (1b), (2), (3) } satisfies equation 5. There must be a good reason for that -- I don't believe in lucky coincidences.

Perfect, now my error is clear. The only thing i don't understand is how intuitively deduce that the 5th is already satisfied ( without doing the calculations)
 
I have the same problem o0)
 

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