# Homework Help: Constructing a Larger Collection of Functions

1. Nov 7, 2014

### Bashyboy

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
The groups $D_3$ and $D_4$ are actually collections of functions from the sets $\{1,2,3\}$ and $\{1,2,3,4\}$, respectively, where those integers represent the vertices of the geometric objects. Is it possible to construct a larger collection of functions from these two sets

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3. The attempt at a solution

I do not believe this is intended as a rigorous proof, for it is labelled as an "exercise."

At first I thought, "no, it would not be possible, as I actually had to throw away some of the functions/transformations of square in order to get the group $D_4$ because they did not correspond to a rigid transformation of the square." But now I am not so certain this is true; I only threw those other functions/mappings away because they did not correspond to a rigid of the square, but that does not imply that, if they were included in the set $D_4$, $D_4$ would no longer be a group. If those other functions were included, it most certainly would not be the group of rigid transformation of a square, but that does not mean it is not a group.

Could someone help contrive an approach to solving this problem?

2. Nov 12, 2014

### Greg Bernhardt

Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?

3. Nov 15, 2014

### HallsofIvy

What do you mean by "construct a larger family of functions". "Construct" in what sense? Does this larger family of functions have to satisfy some property?

4. Nov 15, 2014

### Bashyboy

I am sorry. Now that I look back at my original post, I realize that it was very incomplete. Let me try restating the problem a little better.

$D_3$ and $D_4$ are two of the dihedral groups, which are actually functions from the set $\{1,2,3\}$ and $\{1,2,3,4\}$ to themselves, respectively, with composition as the group operation. Is it possible to construct a larger collection of functions from these two sets, again with composition as the group operation, and would it still form a larger group?

5. Nov 15, 2014

### pasmith

Hint: what is the order of the group of all invertible functions from a finite set to itself?