Constructive interference of harmonic electromagnetic waves

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The discussion revolves around the constructive interference of harmonic electromagnetic waves with different wavelengths or frequencies. Participants explore whether a new electromagnetic wave is formed from the superposition of such waves and discuss the characteristics of any resulting wave, including frequency, amplitude, and energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether two harmonic electromagnetic waves of different frequencies can create a unique electromagnetic wave and seeks clarification on the characteristics of this new wave.
  • Another participant asserts that waves of different frequencies can be superposed, emphasizing that the resulting wave cannot be characterized by a single frequency, similar to a musical chord.
  • A later reply confirms that if the resulting wave depicted in a figure represents the sum of the two original waves, then it is indeed correct.
  • One participant introduces the concept of coherence, noting that interference may not occur if the waves are not mutually coherent, such as with independent laser outputs.
  • Another participant elaborates on the concept of superposition, explaining that in a linear medium, the waves do not interact, and interference effects are only observed upon measurement. They describe how two nearly identical frequencies can create a 'beat' effect due to their frequency difference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a new wave is formed from the superposition of waves with different frequencies, and there is no consensus on the conditions under which constructive interference occurs. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of coherence on interference.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of coherence and the linearity of electromagnetic theory, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the resulting wave characteristics.

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Hello !

I have a doubt as to how is this case, if it occurs, of the constructive interference of two harmonic electromagnetic waves but of different wavelengths or frequencies between them.

That is, if between the two electromagnetic waves a new and unique electromagnetic wave is created and what characteristics would this new created wave have, such as its frequency, its amplitude and its final or resulting energy.

I thank you for your answers and I send you my regards.
 
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You can superpose waves of different frequencies, yes. Electromagnetism is a linear theory so you may simply add amplitudes. The resulting wave cannot be characterised by a single frequency, much as a chord is not a single note.
 
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Ibix said:
You can superpose waves of different frequencies, yes. Electromagnetism is a linear theory so you may simply add amplitudes. The resulting wave cannot be characterised by a single frequency, much as a chord is not a single note.

I will ask you again to see if I understood correctly.

In the superposition of electromagnetic waves, even if they are harmonic waves but of different frequencies, from the two waves a single electromagnetic wave different from the other two would not be formed, but rather we would have a case as shown in the figure I placed, where the resulting wave would it be like the third wave shown in the figure?
Superposiciòn de Ondas electromagnéticas armónicas  -  02.jpg
 
If your third figure is the sum of the first two, then yes.
 
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MartinG said:
Hello !

I have a doubt as to how is this case, if it occurs, of the constructive interference of two harmonic electromagnetic waves but of different wavelengths or frequencies between them.

That is, if between the two electromagnetic waves a new and unique electromagnetic wave is created and what characteristics would this new created wave have, such as its frequency, its amplitude and its final or resulting energy.

I thank you for your answers and I send you my regards.
It depends on whether or not the two waves are mutually coherent. For example, the output of two different (independent) lasers cannot be combined to produce interference.
 
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MartinG said:
In the superposition of electromagnetic waves,
The word "superposition" doesn't imply anything about interaction of the two waves. In a linear medium the displacements at any time and place have no effect on each other. It's only when you actually measure or observe the displacement due to the two waves that you can get a stationary interference effect. There are many places and times for any two waves where the sum is zero, momentarily.

A half way house can be reached with two waves of very nearly the same frequency, when the locations of nulls (fringes) slowly move through space and the resultant, measured in one point in space, will be a 'beat' in time at a frequency which is the difference between the two wave frequencies. Exactly the same thing is happening for any number of waves.
 
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