Continuous Function- Open Sets

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The discussion revolves around finding a continuous function f: R→R such that for an open subset A of R, the image f(A) is not open. Participants are exploring examples and clarifying concepts related to continuity and the properties of open sets in the context of real-valued functions.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants suggest various functions, including trigonometric functions like sine, and discuss their properties in relation to open sets. There is exploration of specific intervals and their images under these functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided examples and corrections regarding the properties of the sine function over different intervals. There is ongoing clarification about the nature of the images of these intervals, with some confusion noted about open and closed sets.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the types of examples they can consider. There is a focus on understanding the implications of continuity and the definitions of open sets in the real number context.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to do a problem, and in order to do it I need to find a function f:RR which is continuous on all of R, where A\subseteqR is open but f(A) is not. Can anyone give an example of a function that satisfies these properties? I think once I have an example I'll understand things a lot better. Thanks.
 
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analysis001 said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to do a problem, and in order to do it I need to find a function f:RR which is continuous on all of R, where A\subseteqR is open but f(A) is not. Can anyone give an example of a function that satisfies these properties? I think once I have an example I'll understand things a lot better. Thanks.

Try a function with a maximum or a minimum and think about it. A lot of functions work.
 
Oh ok would f(A)=sin(A) work?
 
analysis001 said:
Oh ok would f(A)=sin(A) work?

It would. Now you have to give an example of an open set A such that f(A) isn't open.
 
Dick said:
It would. Now you have to give an example of an open set A such that f(A) isn't open.

If I take A to be the interval (-\pi,\pi) which is open, then sin(A) would be on the interval [-1,1], which is closed. Am I understanding this correctly?
 
analysis001 said:
If I take A to be the interval (-\pi,\pi) which is open, then sin(A) would be on the interval [-1,1], which is closed. Am I understanding this correctly?

Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).
 
Dick said:
Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).
That's not true. ##\sin(\pi/2) = 1##, ##\sin(-\pi/2) = -1##

Any open interval containing ##[-\pi/2,\pi/2]## will work.
 
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I believe something like:

##f: x → a^2 - (x-a)^2## should fit those requirements.
 
Dick said:
Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).

I don't get why sin((-\pi,\pi)=(-1,1). I thought because sin(\pi/2)=1 and since \pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) and also because sin(-\pi/2)=-1 and since -\pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) then sin((-\pi,\pi)=[-1,1].

If sin((0,\pi) then it equals (0,1] which is neither open nor closed. I'm not sure where my reasoning is wrong.
 
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analysis001 said:
I don't get why sin((-\pi,\pi)=(-1,1). I thought because sin(\pi/2)=1 and since \pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) and also because sin(-\pi/2)=-1 and since -\pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) then sin((-\pi,\pi)=[-1,1].

If sin((0,\pi) then it equals (0,1] which is neither open nor closed. I'm not sure where my reasoning is wrong.

jbunniii's correction is correct and you are correct. I slipped up. Sorry!
 
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Thanks everyone!
 

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