Continuous Function- Open Sets

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The discussion centers on finding a continuous function f: R→R such that for an open set A ⊆ R, the image f(A) is not open. A suggested function is f(x) = sin(x), with the open interval A = (0, π) resulting in f(A) = (0, 1], which is neither open nor closed. The participants clarify that while sin((-π, π)) results in the open interval (-1, 1), the function's behavior on specific intervals can yield non-open images, demonstrating the nuances of continuity and image sets in real analysis.

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I'm trying to do a problem, and in order to do it I need to find a function f:RR which is continuous on all of R, where A\subseteqR is open but f(A) is not. Can anyone give an example of a function that satisfies these properties? I think once I have an example I'll understand things a lot better. Thanks.
 
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analysis001 said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to do a problem, and in order to do it I need to find a function f:RR which is continuous on all of R, where A\subseteqR is open but f(A) is not. Can anyone give an example of a function that satisfies these properties? I think once I have an example I'll understand things a lot better. Thanks.

Try a function with a maximum or a minimum and think about it. A lot of functions work.
 
Oh ok would f(A)=sin(A) work?
 
analysis001 said:
Oh ok would f(A)=sin(A) work?

It would. Now you have to give an example of an open set A such that f(A) isn't open.
 
Dick said:
It would. Now you have to give an example of an open set A such that f(A) isn't open.

If I take A to be the interval (-\pi,\pi) which is open, then sin(A) would be on the interval [-1,1], which is closed. Am I understanding this correctly?
 
analysis001 said:
If I take A to be the interval (-\pi,\pi) which is open, then sin(A) would be on the interval [-1,1], which is closed. Am I understanding this correctly?

Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).
 
Dick said:
Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).
That's not true. ##\sin(\pi/2) = 1##, ##\sin(-\pi/2) = -1##

Any open interval containing ##[-\pi/2,\pi/2]## will work.
 
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I believe something like:

##f: x → a^2 - (x-a)^2## should fit those requirements.
 
Dick said:
Almost, but sin((-pi,pi))=(-1,1) which is an open interval. The endpoints aren't included. Try sin((0,pi)).

I don't get why sin((-\pi,\pi)=(-1,1). I thought because sin(\pi/2)=1 and since \pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) and also because sin(-\pi/2)=-1 and since -\pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) then sin((-\pi,\pi)=[-1,1].

If sin((0,\pi) then it equals (0,1] which is neither open nor closed. I'm not sure where my reasoning is wrong.
 
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analysis001 said:
I don't get why sin((-\pi,\pi)=(-1,1). I thought because sin(\pi/2)=1 and since \pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) and also because sin(-\pi/2)=-1 and since -\pi/2\in (-\pi,\pi) then sin((-\pi,\pi)=[-1,1].

If sin((0,\pi) then it equals (0,1] which is neither open nor closed. I'm not sure where my reasoning is wrong.

jbunniii's correction is correct and you are correct. I slipped up. Sorry!
 
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Thanks everyone!
 

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