Contour integration over Riemann surface

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Cauchy integral theorem to contour integration over Riemann surfaces, specifically focusing on the function ##f(z)=\sqrt{z}##. Participants explore whether closed paths on the Riemann surface can yield zero integrals and the implications of winding numbers around singular points like ##z=0##.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that if the winding number of the path around ##z=0## is 0, the integral will be 0.
  • Others argue that the winding number may not be 0, especially when considering paths on the Riemann surface that loop around ##z=0##.
  • There is a suggestion that closed paths on the Riemann surface may not be viable if they contain the point ##0##.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of line integrals on Riemann surfaces, noting the complexity of defining such integrals in higher dimensions.
  • Another participant describes the integration process over the Riemann surface for ##f(z)=\sqrt{z}##, indicating that integrating over a closed path results in 0 due to the nature of the two sheets of the surface.
  • Further contributions explore the implications of Riemann surfaces for multi-valued functions and how they relate to single-valued functions in complex analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of integrals over closed paths on Riemann surfaces, particularly regarding winding numbers and the viability of such paths. No consensus is reached on the implications of these factors for the integral's value.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of defining integrals on Riemann surfaces and the potential need for a standard metric in higher-dimensional spaces. The discussion highlights the challenges in applying traditional complex analysis theorems to multi-valued functions.

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Cauchy integral theorem states that the contour integration of a complex harmonic function along a closed simply connected path=0. What if this simply connected path is drawn over a Riemann surface of function like ##f(z)=\sqrt z##. Will that be possible in the first place? and will the integration over that path yield zero?
 
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Adel Makram said:
Cauchy integral theorem states that the contour integration of a complex harmonic function along a closed simply connected path=0. What if this simply connected path is drawn over a Riemann surface of function like ##f(z)=\sqrt z##. Will that be possible in the first place? and will the integration over that path yield zero?
As long as the winding number of the path around the point z=0 is 0, the integral will be 0.
 
FactChecker said:
As long as the winding number of the path around the point z=0 is 0, the integral will be 0.
Is the winding number really 0? If we move counterclockwise over Riemann surface representing the real part of ##f(z)=\sqrt z## we will end on an infinite looping around ##z=0## switching from the positive to the negative roots.
 
It is not guaranteed that the winding number is 0. That is essential. For closed paths that do not wind around zero, the integral is 0.
 
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It is not guaranteed that the winding number is 0. That is essential. For closed paths that do not wind around zero, the integral is 0.
I don`t get it. If a closed path is taken around ##z=0## in the complex flat plane, the integral of ##f(z)=\sqrt z## vanishes. But in my case, what is the value of the integration with a closed path winding around ##z=0## in Riemann surface that describe the same function?
 
Adel Makram said:
I don`t get it. If a closed path is taken around ##z=0## in the complex flat plane, the integral of ##f(z)=\sqrt z## vanishes. But in my case, what is the value of the integration with a closed path winding around ##z=0## in Riemann surface that describe the same function?
I think the reference to a 'closed path' is to a closed path in the Riemann surface, not in the domain of the 'function' (by the way ##z\mapsto \sqrt z## is not a function because it doesn't give unique results). I am not sure that there is any closed path on the Riemann surface in ##\mathbb C^2## generated by the relation ##z_2{}^2=z_1## (which is a more careful way of expressing the square root notion), whose ##z_1## coordinate winds around 0.

If that's correct then the integral of any sufficiently nice function along a closed path on that Riemann surface will be zero.
 
Hi, I agree with the ideas of @andrewkirk because a closed path that contains the zero on the riemann surface ##f=z^2## seems not viable. I want to be precise, the ##0## must be in the interior of the support of the path and I don't think this is possible.
In the end the case where ##0## is not inside the path was explained before ...
 
Adel Makram said:
Cauchy integral theorem states that the contour integration of a complex harmonic function along a closed simply connected path=0. What if this simply connected path is drawn over a Riemann surface of function like ##f(z)=\sqrt z##. Will that be possible in the first place? and will the integration over that path yield zero?
It occurs to me that the meaning of the integral is not clear in the question. The Riemann surface ##R## is a one-dimensional complex manifold that is embedded in ##\mathbb C^2##. We can define a function ##f:R\to\mathbb C## and we can define a simple, closed curve in ##R## as a function ##\gamma:[0,1]\to R## that is continuous when we interpret ##R## as a two-dimensional subset of 4D Euclidean space, such that ##\gamma(0)=\gamma(1)##. But I cannot see any obvious interpretation of the notion of a 'line integral' of ##f## along ##\gamma##. Note that ##f## takes two complex arguments, rather than one.

For a loop integral of ##g:\mathbb C\to\mathbb C## around a loop ##\eta## in the complex plane we have the simple formulation
$$\oint_\eta g(z)\,dz=\int_0^1 g(\eta(t))\eta'(t)\,dt$$

There is no immediately obvious (to me) equivalent of this when the function to be integrated has a domain in ##\mathbb C^2## rather than ##\mathbb C##. Some form of complex Jacobean may be needed. But then I have never studied complex manifolds. Perhaps there is a standard definition of a line integral of a function on a complex manifold. Presumably it would use the metric on the manifold. What would the standard metric on ##\mathbb C^2## be? Would it just be
$$ds^2=dz_1{}^2+dz_2{}^2$$
 
Ssnow said:
on the riemann surface f=z2f=z^2 seems

Sorry I correct myself ##f=\sqrt{z}##
 
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Adel Makram said:
Cauchy integral theorem states that the contour integration of a complex harmonic function along a closed simply connected path=0. What if this simply connected path is drawn over a Riemann surface of function like ##f(z)=\sqrt z##. Will that be possible in the first place? and will the integration over that path yield zero?
That's tricky ;-). If you integrate over a closed path in the Riemann surface, it gives 0. To demonstrate that on your example take the usual Riemann surface for the square-root function by cutting along the negative real axis. Now a closed curve around 0 must run over the two sheets ("double cover" of the complex plane). Let's take a circle. The first sheet is starting from ##\text{arg} z=-\pi## and runs to ##\text{arg} z=\pi##. On this sheet you have along the unit circle
$$\sqrt{z}=\sqrt{\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi)}=\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi/2), \quad \varphi = \text{arg} z \in (-\pi,\pi)$$
Then you enter the 2nd sheet of the Riemann surface, where you have
$$\sqrt{z}=-\sqrt{\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi)}=-\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi/2) \quad \varphi =\text{arg} z \in (-\pi,\pi)$$
Only then you close the circle and thus you get trivially 0.

Equivalently you can also integrate ##\exp(\mathrm{i} \varphi/2)## along ##\varphi \in (-\pi,3 \pi)##, which covers also the two branches of the square-root function, and it gives of course also 0.
 
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My understanding is that Riemann conceived of his idea in order to devise a coordinate system in which multi-valued functions become single-valued so that the foundation of Complex Analysis of single-valued functions could be applied to multivalued functions. The normal Riemann surface for the square root is a Riemann sphere with a double covering of the complex plane mapped onto it conformally with every point on the sphere equal to ##(z,\sqrt{z})##. And therefore for the function ##f(z)=\sqrt{z}## over this new coordinate system, we have the simple linear function ##f(z,w)=w## which is an entire function zero over any closed contour over its Riemann surface. Contrast this with ##f(z)=\sqrt{z}+\frac{k}{z}##. What do you suppose the integral of this function over a closed contour (winding number of one) about the point ##(0,\infty)## over it's Riemann surface is? ##4k\pi i##? What about ##f(z)=\sqrt[n]{z}+\frac{k}{z}##? ##2nk\pi i##? What might the Riemann surface of ##\sqrt[n]{z}## even look like? I imagine it like one of those cantelopes with deep furrows with each section between the furrows corresponding to one copy of the z-plane. Once this perspective is taken, we can then re-cast the Residue Theorem for multivalued functions over their normal Riemann surfaces, then Laurent's Theorem and then all the other theorems for single-valued functions.
For example, the Laurent series for ##\sqrt{z}## is ##\sqrt{z}##, the series for ##\sqrt{z}+\frac{1}{z}## is ##\frac{1}{\left(\sqrt{z}\right)^2}+\sqrt{z}##. That was easy. What would the Laurent series for ##\frac{1}{\sqrt{z(z-1)(z-2)}}## be about the point ##(0,0)## over its Riemann surface? But if you know that all the theorems of single-valued functions apply to multivalued functions over their Riemann surface, how might you calculate the coefficients for this series expansion? Use Laurent's Theorem.
 
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