Contracting Tensors: g^{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}=4 & T

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The discussion revolves around the properties of tensors in the context of general relativity, specifically focusing on the contraction of the metric tensor and the stress-energy tensor. Participants explore the implications of the equations g^{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}=4 and g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T, examining their validity and definitions within four-dimensional spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that g^{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}=4 is true in four dimensions.
  • Another participant agrees with the first claim and states that g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T is correct, assuming T refers to the trace.
  • A subsequent participant clarifies that T refers to the scalar stress-energy tensor, reiterating the context of four dimensions.
  • Another participant questions the validity of g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T, arguing that the left-hand side is a scalar while the right-hand side is not.
  • One participant suggests that it should be T^{\mu \nu}_{\mu \nu} = T, emphasizing the indices of the stress-energy tensor.
  • A later reply elaborates that components of the stress-energy tensor have two indices, not four, and proposes defining T as T=T^\mu{}_\mu. They provide a detailed mathematical derivation to support their argument.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the equation g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T, with some supporting it under specific definitions while others contest its correctness. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and implications of the terms involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of T and the context in which these tensor equations are applied. The mathematical steps and definitions are not fully resolved.

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Am i right in thinking:

g^{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}=4 \mbox{ and } g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T ?
 
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The first one is certainly true in 4 dimensions. The second is correct yes assuming by T you mean the trace.
 


sorry I mean T is the scalar stress energy tensor (maybe the same thing). Yeah sorry in 4-D.
 


pleasehelpmeno said:
g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu}=T ?
The left-hand side is a scalar. The right-hand side is not.
 


sorry shouldn't it be T^{\mu \nu}_{\mu \nu} = T?
 


pleasehelpmeno said:
sorry shouldn't it be T^{\mu \nu}_{\mu \nu} = T?
Components of the stress-energy tensor have two indices, not four. You could however define T by ##T=T^\mu{}_\mu##. The right-hand side is defined by ##T^\mu{}_\mu =T^{\mu\nu}g_{\mu\nu}##.
$$g^{\mu\nu}T_{\mu\nu} =g^{\mu\nu} g_{\mu\rho} T^{\rho\sigma} g_{\sigma\nu} =\delta^\nu_\rho T^{\rho\sigma} g_{\sigma\nu} = T^{\nu\sigma} g_{\sigma\nu} = T^\nu{}_\nu=T.$$
 
thank you
 

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