Contracting Tensors: Why G^αβ?

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The discussion revolves around the contraction of tensors, specifically the expression involving the metric tensor \( g^{\alpha \beta} \) and its application in tensor calculus. Participants explore the implications of index placement and the conditions under which certain expressions are valid, as well as the proper handling of indices in tensor operations.

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  • Some participants question why \( g^{\alpha \beta} \partial_{\beta} T_{\beta \rho} \) simplifies to \( \partial^{\alpha} T_{\beta \rho} \) rather than \( \partial^{\alpha} T_{\rho}^{\alpha} \), suggesting ambiguity due to the odd occurrence of the index \( \beta \).
  • One participant points out a potential error in the expression, noting that \( \beta \) should not appear three times and asks for clarification on the intended expression involving the metric tensor and derivatives.
  • There is a discussion about the conditions under which the components of the metric tensor are constant in a given coordinate system, indicating that the product rule for derivatives may need to be applied if they are not constant.
  • Another participant mentions an attempt to contract \( R^{\sigma}_{\mu \nu \rho} \) to \( R_{\mu \nu} \) using \( \eta^{\rho \alpha} \eta_{\alpha \sigma} R^{\sigma}_{\mu \nu \rho} \), questioning the validity of this approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation and manipulation of tensor indices, with no consensus reached on the proper expressions or methods for contraction.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about the constancy of the metric tensor components and the correct handling of indices in tensor expressions.

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Why would g^{\alpha \beta} \partial_{\beta} T_{\beta \rho} become \partial^{\alpha} T_{\beta \rho} and not \partial^{\alpha} T_{\rho}^{\alpha} or could it be either?
 
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pleasehelpmeno said:
Why would g^{\alpha \beta} \partial_{\beta} T_{\beta \rho} become \partial^{\alpha} T_{\beta \rho} and not \partial^{\alpha} T_{\rho}^{\alpha} or could it be either?

The first formula is ambiguous because a bound index β occurs an odd number of times.
 
There's something wrong with that expression. β isn't supposed to appear three times. So do you mean ##g^{\alpha \gamma} \partial_{\gamma} T_{\beta \rho}## or ##g^{\alpha \gamma} \partial_{\beta} T_{\gamma \rho}## or something different from both of these?

In situations where you're thinking about moving a ##g^{\alpha\beta}## to the right of a ##\partial_\gamma##, you must ask yourself if the components of the metric are constant in the coordinate system you're using. If they're not, you would have to use the product rule for derivatives.
 
I was trying to contract R^{\sigma}_{\mu \nu \rho} to R_{\mu \nu},

and i thought the best way to do it would be \eta^{\rho \alpha} \eta_{\alpha \sigma}R^{\sigma}_{\mu \nu \rho} but perhaps that is wrong
 
Did you mean to post that in the other thread?
 
oops yeah sorry, it is from the book by hobson
 

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