Controlled rectification question

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The discussion revolves around controlled rectification, specifically focusing on the effects of firing angles on power dissipation in a resistive load and the implications of asymmetrical waveforms on harmonic content. Participants explore both theoretical and practical aspects of these concepts.

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  • One participant calculates the power dissipated in a bulb based on a firing angle of alpha=(pi/3) and provides a detailed method for finding Vrms and total dissipated power.
  • Another participant notes that even slight asymmetry in firing can introduce a DC component in the waveform, which could affect inductive loads adversely.
  • A suggestion is made to evaluate integrals from (pi/3 ± a few degrees) to understand the relationship between firing angle asymmetry and DC content in the waveform.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and seek clarification on how to approach the problem of harmonic content, with one mentioning Fourier series as a potential method.
  • One participant shares a personal experience regarding the practical consequences of asymmetric firing in relay coils, emphasizing the importance of understanding the relationship between voltage, current, and flux in inductors.
  • A request for reading material is made to improve understanding of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding the effects of firing angle on power and harmonic content.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and uncertainty regarding the integration of waveforms and the implications of asymmetrical firing. There is no consensus on the best approach to analyze the harmonic content or the effects of firing angle drift.

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Some participants mention limitations in their notes and understanding of the integration process, indicating that further clarification is needed. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific definitions and assumptions related to waveform analysis.

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Readers interested in electrical engineering, particularly those studying controlled rectification, waveform analysis, and the practical implications of firing angles in circuits may find this discussion beneficial.

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Homework Statement


a) If the firing angle is set for alpha=(pi/3) estimate the power dissipated in the bulb if it is rated at 100 W and the voltage source is 230 V @ 50 Hz.

b) An anomaly that can occur in controlled rectification is drift of the firing
angle on one half cycle, so causing an asymmetrical waveform, as illustrated opposite. State the effect, if any, this would have on the harmonic content of the waveform.

Homework Equations


P=Vrms^2/R Vpeak=Vrms/0.7071

The Attempt at a Solution


1a) So first of all i found the Vpeak of a normal sine wave in this case 230/0.7071 = 325V and found R=230^2/100=529ohms. I then found the Vrms for any waveform and set my boundaries and got 325*0.63423.
so Vrms = 206.12475V for this wave form including the firing angles (where those sections would = 0). I then used PT (or total dissipated) =Vrms2/R=(206.12475)2/529=80.31w which is my answer.
1b) I've found through my notes that if the phase angle of a harmonic changes it has no reference on determing the average power so that would be the same. However it would change the instantaneous power as it'd would be delayed by whatever the shift is. Is the correct or do i need to show more?
 
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Show the "asymmetrical waveform, as illustrated opposite. " so we can see what it is the author has in mind ?.

I can tell you from experience that it takes surprisingly little asymmetric firing to produce a DC component in the controlled waveform that'll burn up relay coils.

Try evaluating your integrals from (pi/3 ± a few degrees) to (the next zero crossing) and find a relation between degrees of asymmetry in firing and DC content of resulting controlled waveform..

An incandescent lamp will be indifferent but an inductive load won't. old jim
 
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Apologies i didn't add the image. So are you saying to integrate the sine wave between T/4 & T? Sorry only thing i found in my notes was very little other than the statement above.
 

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Apologies i didn't add the image. So are you saying to integrate the sine wave between T/4 & T? Sorry only thing i found in my notes was very little other than the statement above.
@jim hardy I'm still unsure on this question... sorry.
 
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Apologies i didn't add the image. So are you saying to integrate the sine wave between T/4 & T? Sorry only thing i found in my notes was very little other than the statement above.
Harmonic content: how about Fourier series.?
 
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Apologies i didn't add the image. So are you saying to integrate the sine wave between T/4 & T?

You asked about the effect of asymmetric firing.
The image you posted shows asymmetric firing?
positive for one-quarter cycle duration T/4, from T/4 to T/2
negative i can't make out looks like from 1.5T to T which is backward.

Here's what i meant to suggest
Clearly the black quarter circles have equal area and if you integrate them individually you'll get two equal magnitude but opposite polarity numbers that'll sum to zero. That's what average value is, area uder the curve.

If you offset your firing points by n degrees to show asymetric firing you'll get unequal areas that'll no longer sum to zero.
So that wave will have a DC component or ofset. That'll show up as the first term of your Fourier series should you choose that approach...

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In my day i'd have written a Qbasic program to generate a table of DC offset vs firing angle asymmetry. You young guys have Excel and Matlab to do the same thing.

I'd add another column to show the integral of voltage because for an inductor current is the integral of voltage.
An asymmetrically firing thyristor will burn up an AC relay coil connected to it ,
I've experienced it myself.
We had a batch of temperature sensitive thyristors that went asymmetric as they heated up.
That resulted in several trips of a nuke plant, and at a million bucks per trip it was well worth tracking down the cause and learning how to prevent it..
We found by observing the relay coil currents with a clamp around current probe and oscilloscope that asymmetric firing showed up as distorted sinewave current with high peaks on only one side of the wave.
We looked at every such relay driver in the plant and fixed those showing asymmetry . That stopped our epidemic of relay coil failures.
Needless to say management was very happy.

I hope that little tip helps you someday.
Make yourself painfully aware of the inductor's integral-derivative relation between volts , current & flux. It has so many practical applications that you need it to be intuitive.

old jim

ps sorry to be so slow getting back to you. sickness in family, i was away for a few days..
 

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Hi All,

Can anyone suggest any reading material that I can study to better improve my knowledge in answerin question 1 b)?
 

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