Convection/(radiation ?) heat loss problem. (Thermodynamics)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem related to determining the convection heat transfer coefficient for an electric resistance wire. Participants explore the implications of given data, including power consumption and radiation heat loss, in the context of heat transfer mechanisms.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses confusion about the relevance of radiation heat loss in a problem primarily focused on convection.
  • Some participants suggest that all information provided is necessary for a complete energy balance of the wire.
  • A participant reports arriving at a convection heat transfer coefficient of approximately 63 W/m² after considering both convection and radiation losses.
  • Questions arise regarding the efficiency of the wire, specifically whether any power is effectively transmitted through it if all energy is lost to heat.
  • Another participant counters that the problem does not specify the total power transmitted, implying that the wire may be designed to dissipate heat intentionally, as in heating elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that all information is relevant to the problem, but there is disagreement regarding the implications of the power loss and the efficiency of the wire. The discussion remains unresolved on the efficiency aspect and the significance of the total power transmitted.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the wire's design and the unspecified total power transmitted. The problem does not clarify the relationship between the power flowing through the wire and the heat losses due to convection and radiation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying thermodynamics, particularly in understanding heat transfer mechanisms and energy balances in electrical systems.

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Homework Statement



A 40-cm-long, 0.6-cm-diameter electric resistance wire is used to determine the convection heat transfer coefficient in air at 25 degrees C experimentally. The surface temperature of the wire is measured to be 150 degrees C when the electric power consumption is 90 W. If the radiation heat loss from the wire is calculated to be 30 W, the convection heat transfer coefficient is : ?


Homework Equations



Q (convection) = h * A * (delta T)

h = stefan-boltzmann constant

A = surface area

The Attempt at a Solution



I set the equation equal to h and solve. I get h = 0.318 W/ M^2, which is not one of the given answers (multiple choice). Two things that confuse me :

1 .Why was I given the amount of radiation transfer when all of the other information pertains to convectrion? (I think this might be a typo, I'm going to email my instructor)

2. Why was the amount of power going through the wire ( 90 Watts ) given? Do I need this information?
 
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Yes, you need all the information. The wire is losing energy due to radiation as well. Try sketching and then writing an energy balance for the wire.

(And check h; it's not the Stefan-Boltzmann constant.)
 
I ended up getting the right answer, in which 30 watts was lost to radiation and then 60 watts to convection, to get the answer of h ~ 63 or so. (Yeah it's the convection coeffiecient, sorry about the typo)

My question is though, is that if you have 90 watts of power flowing through that wire, and all of it ends up being lost to either convection or radiation, does any power end up actually making it through? Seems like a crappy wire to me.
 
Sentience said:
My question is though, is that if you have 90 watts of power flowing through that wire, and all of it ends up being lost to either convection or radiation, does any power end up actually making it through? Seems like a crappy wire to me.

Well, for all we know, 9000 W are transmitted and only 90 W are dissipated as heat. It's not mentioned in the problem statement because it's not important in a heat transfer problem. But in practice, such wires (think heating elements in your toaster oven) are designed to have a high resistivity because heat generation is their only purpose.
 

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