Convergence and Divergence of a series

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The discussion revolves around the convergence and divergence of the series defined by the terms log(n/(n+1)) as n approaches infinity. The original poster reflects on their quiz experience and the steps they took to analyze the series, leading to confusion regarding the distinction between the convergence of a sequence and that of a series.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the original poster's reasoning about the limit of the sequence converging to 0 and discuss the implications for the convergence of the series. They raise questions about the relationship between the convergence of a sequence and the convergence of a series, referencing the harmonic series as an example.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications about the differences between sequences and series. Some guidance has been offered regarding the conditions under which a series can be determined to diverge or converge, but there remains some confusion among participants about these concepts.

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There is a noted misunderstanding regarding the application of limits in the context of sequences versus series, as well as references to textbook statements that may have contributed to the confusion. The original poster expresses frustration with the material, indicating a need for further clarification.

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The series from n=1 to infinity log(n/(n+1)). This was on my quiz, which I got wrong. Here's what I did:
lim n-->infinity of log(n/(n+1))
so then that becomes: log(lim n-->infinity n/(n+1))
which becomes the log1, which is 0, so it converges.

Whats wrong with my steps?
 
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What you showed was that the sequence converges to 0, not the series. The sequence has to converge to 0 for the series to converge, but it does not guarantee that it does. A good example of this is the harmonic series
\sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{1){k}
The limit as k goes to infinity of 1/k is zero, but the series still diverges.
 
If you have a series \sum a_n, and lim an is not 0, or the limit doesn't exist, then you know that your series diverges.

If lim an = 0, then you really can't say much at all about your series. That's what all the tests (comparison, ratio, root, integral, limit comparison, etc.) are about.
 
I thought what I did was a test?? Ahhh this stuff is so confusing! So many times in my book it said if the lim of an=0, then it converges. I don't get what's going on.
 
mohabitar said:
I thought what I did was a test?? Ahhh this stuff is so confusing! So many times in my book it said if the lim of an=0, then it converges. I don't get what's going on.
I suspect that you are confusing a sequence, {an}, with a series, \sum a_n. If lim an = 0 (or any specific number), the sequence converges, but nothing can be said about the series \sum a_n.

The harmonic series that rakalakalili gave and this series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{k^2}
are such that lim an = 0, but the harmonic series diverges and the other series converges.
 

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