Convergence of a Power Series: Lim Sup Explained

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of a power series defined by the terms sum(a_nx^n), focusing on the limit of the ratio of consecutive coefficients. Participants are exploring the implications of the limit L=lim|a_(n+1)/a_n| and its relationship to convergence intervals and conditions.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the ratio test to the power series and are discussing the implications of the limit L. Some express confusion about how to proceed with the test, particularly when considering absolute values and the behavior of the series based on the value of L.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the ratio test and its application to the power series. Some participants have begun to clarify their understanding of the convergence conditions, while others are still grappling with the concepts of limit superior and the implications of the ratio test.

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Let sum(a_nx^n) be a power series with a_n not zero, and assume L=lim|a_(n+1)/a_n| exists.
a) Show that if L is not zero, then the series converges for all x in (-1/L,1/L).
b) Show that if L=0, then the series onverges for all x in R
c) Show that a) and b) continue to hold if L is replaced by the limit
L'=lim(s_n) where s_n=sup{|a_(k+1)/a_k|:k>=n}
The value L' is called the limit superior or lim sup of the sequence |a_(n+1)/a_n|. It exists iff the sequence is bounded.
d) Show that if |a_(n+1)/a_n| is unbounded, then the original series converges only when x=0

I'm looking at this and I have no clue how to start.
Like for a), I start by assuming L is not zero.
So we have lim|a_(n+1)/a_n|is nonzero. Then I have trouble getting further.
 
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Do you know the following convergence test:

If [tex]\sum{u_n}[/tex] is a series of positive real numbers, then

  1. If [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{u_{n+1}}{u_n}}<1,[/tex] then [tex]\sum{u_n}[/tex] converges.
  2. If [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{u_{n+1}}{u_n}}>1,[/tex] then [tex]\sum{u_n}[/tex] diverges.

Look it up in your course, it quite likely that you've shown this somewhere. Otherwise, you'll need to show it yourself, it's not that hard...
 
yeah I know that. I just looked at that. I tried looking at a_nx^n=b_n
so I looked at Lim|b_n+1/b_n|.
I just got confused with that. I can see the basic ratio test as you described, but when I try this I get confused.
 
Well, naturally, you would want to apply the ratio test on [tex]\sum{a_nx^n}[/tex]. But the ratio test cannot be applied, since the numbers might not be positive. To fix this, you need to apply the ratio test on [tex]\sum{|a_nx^n|}[/tex]. So, what does the ratio test give you in this case?
 
Would it be 1 or -1 based on the rato test of |a_n+1/a_n|, since we look at L<1 or L>1 and to get a value of 1, the absolute value is -1 or 1?
 
kathrynag said:
Would it be 1 or -1 based on the rato test of |a_n+1/a_n|, since we look at L<1 or L>1 and to get a value of 1, the absolute value is -1 or 1?

I'm sorry, I'm not really following... How did you get -1??
 
Well I looked at ratio test of [tex]\sum{|a_nx^n|}[/tex]
I guess I was thinking of it being 1 or -1 based on the absolute value
 
What is 1 or -1?? Can you please write out what you do when applying the ratio test? It's very hard to follow...
 
[tex]\|a_{n+1}x^{n+1}/a_n|}[/tex]
Then could I do :
|[tex]{\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}}[/tex]||[tex]{\frac{x^{n+1}}{x^n}}[/tex]|
 
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If [tex] {\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}}[/tex] is convergent, then [tex] {\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}}[/tex]<1
 
  • #11
so [tex] -1<{\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}}[/tex]<1
 
  • #12
You should really watch your notation. There's a limit missing there. A lot of mathematicians are quite sensitive to this!

So you obtain [tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{|a_{n+1}x^{n+1}|}{|a_nx^n|}[/tex]

Now, what does the ratio test say about this limit? (Just repeat the formulation of the ratio test for [tex]u_n=|a_nx^n|[/tex]...)

Furthermore, you can simplify the limit by cancelling a factor xn...
 
  • #13
converges if limit less than 1
-1<[tex]{\frac{a_{n+1}x^{n+1}}{a_nx^n}[/tex]<1
So converges on (-1/L,1/L)
 
  • #14
Ok I think a) and b) make sense now.
Now for c) I look at sup, I see? I guess I would deal with a similar process, but am a little unsure on dealing with the sup.
 
  • #15
Well, you could show that the ratio test still holds with limsup instead of lim...
 
  • #16
Ok I see!
 
  • #17
Ok I think I'm getting a little stuck on calculating sup. I know sup=smallest upper bound, but how does that work for sup [tex]{\frac{|a_{n+1}x^{n+1}|}{|a_nx^n|}[/tex]?
 

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