Convergence of an infinite product

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the infinite product formed by the sequence (2N-1)(2N), specifically examining the product 1/2 * 3/4 * 5/6. Participants are exploring various methods to determine the behavior of this product as N approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss several strategies, including the use of the integral test and logarithmic properties to analyze convergence. There is an exploration of expressing the product in terms of factorials and applying Stirling's Approximation. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the convergence behavior and suggest alternative perspectives on viewing the product as a limit of a sequence.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various methods being proposed and critiqued. Some participants have shared insights into their reasoning, while others are seeking additional resources to understand the discussed methods better. There is no explicit consensus on the convergence behavior yet, but multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants are navigating through complex mathematical concepts and definitions, with some expressing uncertainty about the methods discussed. There are references to specific mathematical tools and approximations that may not be familiar to all participants, indicating a range of knowledge levels within the discussion.

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Homework Statement


Find what the infinite product (2N-1)(2N) converges too.

Example. 1/2*3/4*5/6


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I have several strategies for this, all of which are similar, and none of which I know how to show.I think it converges to zero.

The idea, is that I show that at any N, I can find a finite amount of N after that, when multiplied together, are below 1/2, or really, any other set fraction. Example.

3/4*5/6*7/9 is less than 1/2. If I can find this to be true for an infinite amount of times, it will converge to zero.


Another idea I have is to take the log of it, and than show that it diverges to negative infinity. Because this product is bounded by zero, if would mean it converges to zero.
 
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I think I got it.

I used the integral test. The ln sum diverged to infinity.

Because of that, this converges to zero.
 
You mean diverged to negative infinity?

You could also have found an expression for the n-th partial product and applied Stirling's Approximation to get \prod_{k=1}^{n} \frac{2n-1}{2n} = \frac{ (2n)! }{2^{2n} (n!)^2} \sim \frac{1}{\sqrt{ \pi n}} \rightarrow 0
 
Hmm, I am not aware of those methods.

Can you point me to an online textbook/ a few links that have the material and some challenging but doable examples?
 
You mean of the methods I used?

The idea is to stop thinking of it as an infinite product so much and re-view it as just the limit of a sequence. Then if we can just what the terms of the sequence are, we can take the limit and find it's value. To find the term, I wrote out in full the general n-th term;
\frac{1}{2}\cdot\frac{3}{4}\cdot\frac{5}{6}\cdot\cdots \frac{2n-3}{2n-2}\cdot\frac{2n-1}{2n}\cdot,

and then I noticed I could produce some factorial terms, a) by "completing" the missing terms in the numerator by multiplying by 2*4*6...*2n, and then dividing by that again. Then b) in the denominator, we get factorial terms by pulling out a factor of 2 from each factor.

So that gives us the term I posted before, and that's just algebra so I can't really refer you to anywhere for that. The final part of this method is taking the limit. It's a good idea to have a bag of tricks to do limits with and being able to do them well and find harder ones pays off. In this case, since factorials aren't so easy to take limits of otherwise, there's a nice tool called Stirling's Approximation. You can find it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling's_approximation.

The part we are interested in is : \lim_{n\to\infty} \frac{n!}{\sqrt{2\pi n} (\frac{n}{e})^n} = 1.
This tells us that if we have the limit of n! in some expression and it's going to infinity, we can put the denominator of that limit in place of n! and the limit won't change. So then if you do that with our general term, it simplifies very nicely and the limit comes out.
 

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