Convergence of Series with Monotonic and Bounded Sequences

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of series, specifically examining the conditions under which the series \(\Sigma a_n b_n\) converges given that \(\Sigma a_n\) is convergent and \(\{b_n\}\) is a monotonic and bounded sequence.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the monotonicity of \(\{b_n\}\) and question its necessity in the proof of convergence. There are attempts to clarify the role of the Cauchy criterion and to identify potential flaws in the original proof.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and examples to illustrate their points. Some participants suggest alternative approaches, such as Abel's summation by parts, while others reference specific theorems that may apply. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problem, and participants are engaged in examining the assumptions and definitions involved.

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Participants note the importance of defining terms clearly and highlight the distinction between absolutely convergent and conditionally convergent series. The discussion also touches on the challenges posed by sequences that are not monotonic.

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Homework Statement




If [tex]\Sigma[/tex]an is a convergent series and {bn} is a monotonic and bounded sequence, then [tex]\Sigma[/tex] anbnis a convergent series.

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Since {bn} is bounded, |bn|<M for some M>0. Since [tex]\Sigma[/tex]an is a convergent series, we have that for every [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0, there is some N>0 such that |Am-An|<[tex]\epsilon[/tex]/M for all m>n>N. Thus, [tex]\sum_{k=n}^m[/tex] akbk < M [tex]\sum^{m}_{k=n}[/tex] (Ak-Ak-1) < [tex]\epsilon[/tex].
And
[tex] \Sigma[/tex] ak bk
is convergent.

Is this correct? If it is, then where did the monotonic behavior of {bn} get put in the proof?
 
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Your proof doesn't make any particular sense. But I think the type of case they are thinking of is an=(-1)^n/n and bn=(-1)^n. The series an is conditionally convergent, but an*bn is divergent.
 
I used the Cauchy criterion for convergence. Where does it not make sense?

{bn} is a monotone sequence by hypothesis so bn = (-1)^n wouldn't work for this.
 
It's works better than I thought it did now that I realize An is the nth partial sum of an. You should define your terms. But it still only works for an absolutely convergent series. I KNOW (-1)^n isn't monotone. You were asking why you need to assume bn to be monotone. I'm giving you a non-monotone example where your proof fails and asking you to try to figure out why it fails. Why do you need the monotone assumption?
 
I didn't think my proof was correct (since I don't see the use of the monotone assumption) so I was asking what was wrong with my proof; but if it was somehow correct, where is the monotone behavior hidden. I already know a proof for this but I was wondering why this particular one didn't work.
 
It's because of signs. (-1)<1. (-2)<(-1). But (-2)*(-1) is not less than 1*(-1). Do you see it now? You are assuming everything is positive.
 
Ahh. I see. Thanks. I've been obsessing over this for quite some time.
 
You are going to have to use Abel's summation by parts.

This is a pretty hard question. I remember being stuck on it last year.
 
What about using the sandwich theorem?
 
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I think you can use theorem 3.42 if you can find a way to define a new sequence c_n from b_n. I have that written in some old notes and if I didn't make a mistake the proof isn't long.
 

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