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The discussion revolves around determining the convergence of the series \(\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} \left(\frac{1}{e^n}+\frac{1}{n(n+1)}\right)\) and exploring the implications of limits in relation to convergence. Participants are examining the nature of the series and the conditions under which it converges.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Some participants attempt to establish convergence by evaluating limits, while others question the validity of using limits alone as a criterion for convergence. There is discussion about the geometric nature of \((1/e)^n\) and the telescoping nature of the other terms. Participants also explore the implications of the harmonic series and its divergence.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the convergence of individual components of the series. There is recognition of the need to differentiate between conditions for convergence and the behavior of limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the evaluation of the series components, but no consensus has been reached on the overall convergence.

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Participants reference their notes regarding convergence criteria, highlighting potential misunderstandings about the relationship between limits and series convergence. There is a focus on the need for clarity in definitions and assumptions related to convergence.

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Homework Statement


Determine whether the series is convergent or divergent. If it is convergent, find its sum.
[tex]\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} (\frac{1}{e^n}+\frac{1}{n(n+1)})[/tex]


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The Attempt at a Solution


So I found it's convergent:
[tex]\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} ((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{(n^{2}+n)})=\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} ((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{n}-\frac{1}{n+1})[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty}((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{n}-\frac{1}{n+1})=0+0+0[/tex]
∴ the sum is convergent.

Now how would I find the sum of the series?
 
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iRaid said:

Homework Statement


Determine whether the series is convergent or divergent. If it is convergent, find its sum.
[tex]\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} (\frac{1}{e^n}+\frac{1}{n(n+1)})[/tex]


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


So I found it's convergent:
[tex]\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} ((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{(n^{2}+n)})=\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} ((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{n}-\frac{1}{n+1})[/tex]
[tex]\lim_{n \to \infty}((\frac{1}{e})^{n}+\frac{1}{n}-\frac{1}{n+1})=0+0+0[/tex]
∴ the sum is convergent.

Now how would I find the sum of the series?

Having a limit of 0 doesn't show it's convergent. (1/e)^n is geometric. The other two terms from a telescoping series. Find the sums separately.
 
Dick said:
Having a limit of 0 doesn't show it's convergent. (1/e)^n is geometric. The other two terms from a telescoping series. Find the sums separately.

My professor said that a limit as n approaches infinity that equals zero means the series is convergent.. And I see what you're saying about the sum. Now I'm just confused on the convergent part.
Edit:
For the (1/e)^n I guess you could also say that since |1/e|<1, the series is convergent.
 
iRaid said:
My professor said that a limit as n approaches infinity that equals zero means the series is convergent.. And I see what you're saying about the sum. Now I'm just confused on the convergent part.
Edit:
For the (1/e)^n I guess you could also say that since |1/e|<1, the series is convergent.

Right for the (1/e)^n. And I hope that's not really what your professor said. If the limit is NOT zero, then it's NOT convergent. Approaching zero doesn't mean it converges. 1/n approaches zero but the series 1/n is not convergent.
 
Dick said:
Right for the (1/e)^n. And I hope that's not really what your professor said. If the limit is NOT zero, then it's NOT convergent. Approaching zero doesn't mean it converges. 1/n approaches zero but the series 1/n is not convergent.

Oh I see the problem here. 1/n is a harmonic series and divergent. Now how would I go about proving it is convergent?
 
Also I just checked me notes it says the following:
If [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n}[/itex] is convergent, then [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty}a_{n}=0[/itex] and the opposite if an does not equal 0.

I think there is a difference in what I said and what my notes say right?
 
iRaid said:
Oh I see the problem here. 1/n is a harmonic series and divergent. Now how would I go about proving it is convergent?

You know that the (1/e)^n part is convergent and you know it's sum. Now do the 1/n-1/(n+1) part. Like I said, it telescopes. If you know those two parts converge then the sum converges.
 
iRaid said:
Also I just checked me notes it says the following:
If [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} a_{n}[/itex] is convergent, then [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty}a_{n}=0[/itex] and the opposite if an does not equal 0.

I think there is a difference in what I said and what my notes say right?

Yes, what you quoted doesn't say that if the limit is 0 then the sum converges.
 
Dick said:
You know that the (1/e)^n part is convergent and you know it's sum. Now do the 1/n-1/(n+1) part. Like I said, it telescopes. If you know those two parts converge then the sum converges.

Ok then I did it correctly.
Thank you, again.
 
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Dick said:
Yes, what you quoted doesn't say that if the limit is 0 then the sum converges.

So you cannot say the opposite, if [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} a_{n}=0[/itex] then [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_{n}[/itex] converges.?
 
  • #11
iRaid said:
So you cannot say the opposite, if [itex]\lim_{n \to \infty} a_{n}=0[/itex] then [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_{n}[/itex] converges.?

Doesn't the example of ##a_n=1/n## show that you can't?
 
  • #12
Dick said:
Doesn't the example of ##a_n=1/n## show that you can't?

I mean are there any other examples of this, other than the harmonic series?
 
  • #13
iRaid said:
I mean are there any other examples of this, other than the harmonic series?

Many. 1/n^(1/2) doesn't converge. 1/log(n) doesn't converge. log(n)/n doesn't converge. But the limits are all zero.
 
  • #14
Dick said:
Many. 1/n^(1/2) doesn't converge. 1/log(n) doesn't converge. log(n)/n doesn't converge. But the limits are all zero.

Alright, thanks a lot.
 

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