Convergent sequence and limit points

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The discussion revolves around the concept of limit points in a topological space, specifically addressing the relationship between limit points and sequences. The original poster seeks to prove that if a point \( p \) is a limit point of a set \( E \), then there exists a sequence in \( E \) that converges to \( p \).

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  • Participants discuss the definition of limit points and convergence, questioning the validity of the original poster's reasoning regarding the construction of a sequence. There is also exploration of the implications of convergence on limit points.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and questioning assumptions. Some participants suggest that the exercise requires the construction of a sequence rather than assuming its existence.

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There are indications of confusion regarding notation and the requirements of the problem, as well as a suggestion that the original poster may have misunderstood the exercise's intent.

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Homework Statement



Prove that if [itex]E \subset X[/itex] and if p is a limit point of E, then there is a sequence [itex]\{p_{n}\}[/itex] in [itex]E[/itex] such that [itex]p=\lim_{n\to\infty}\{p_{n}\}[/itex] (I presume that there is an invisible "[itex]p_{n} \rightarrow p[/itex] implies that" at the beginning of the sentence).

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The Attempt at a Solution



We want to show that every neighbourhood around p contains infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s.

By the definition of convergence we can choose infinitely many N's so that infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s can be contained in a neighbourhood of p with a correspondent radius.

Is this valid?
 
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bedi said:

Homework Statement



Prove that if [itex]E \subset X[/itex] and if p is a limit point of E, then there is a sequence [itex]\{p_{n}\}[/itex] in [itex]E[/itex] such that [itex]p=\lim_{n\to\infty}\{p_{n}\}[/itex]

Notation issue: when writing [itex]p=\lim_n p_n[/itex], we don't write brackets around the [itex]p_n[/itex]

(I presume that there is an invisible "[itex]p_{n} \rightarrow p[/itex] implies that" at the beginning of the sentence).

Nope, the sentence is fine how it is. Why do you think that should be added?

The Attempt at a Solution



We want to show that every neighbourhood around p contains infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s.

By the definition of convergence we can choose infinitely many N's so that infinitely many [itex]p_{n}[/itex]'s can be contained in a neighbourhood of p with a correspondent radius.

Is this valid?

No, this is not valid. And I think you're missing the entire point of the exercise. The exercise wants you to actually construct a sequence [itex](p_n)_n[/itex]. You act like the [itex]p_n[/itex] are given, but they are not. You must show that such a sequence actually exist.
 
What if the actual question were p_n converges to p implies that p is limit point of range of {p_n}?
 
bedi said:
What if the actual question were p_n converges to p implies that p is limit point of range of {p_n}?

That is not even true. Take [itex]p_n=2[/itex] for all n. Then [itex]p_n\rightarrow 2[/itex], but 2 is not a limit point of [itex]\{p_n~\vert~n\}[/itex].

What is true is: if [itex]p_n\rightarrow p[/itex] and if [itex]p_n\neq p[/itex] for all n, then p is a limit point of [itex]\{p_n~\vert~n\}[/itex].
 
Then what about the latter?
 

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