Conversion from CO2 to Air flowrates

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of air flowrate measurements to CO2 flowrate measurements using a digital flowmeter calibrated for air. Participants explore the feasibility of using density ratios and specific gravities to achieve this conversion, considering the implications of temperature and pressure on the results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about converting SL/min (air) to SL/min (CO2) and seeks guidance on a conversion factor.
  • Another participant suggests that a density ratio should work, noting that CO2 is denser than air, which would result in higher readings than actual flowrate.
  • A formula is proposed: F2 = F1 * (S1/S2).5, where F1 is the flowrate measured, F2 is the actual flowrate, S1 is the specific gravity for air, and S2 is the specific gravity for CO2.
  • Specific gravity values are provided: air is 1 and CO2 is 1.57, leading to an example calculation that suggests an actual flowrate of 80.9 SL/min when 100 SL/min is measured.
  • A participant notes that the flowmeter's calibration is for specific temperature and pressure conditions, and mentions that the formula could also be expressed using densities instead of specific gravities.
  • Another participant shares experimental data indicating that the conversion factor may be closer to 1.2, attributing discrepancies to temperature and pressure effects, particularly due to the cooling of CO2 as it expands.
  • A question is raised regarding a potential mistake in the calculation, as the computed value does not match the previously stated actual flowrate of 80.9 SL/min.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conversion factor, as there are differing views on the accuracy of the calculations and the influence of temperature and pressure on the measurements.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the flowmeter's calibration conditions and the compressibility factors of gases may affect the conversion accuracy, but these factors remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I'm not sure under which section this should go, but the application is engineering. I have a calibration problem that I'm trying to figure out:

I have a digital flowmeter that measures the flowrate of air and gives a SL/min (litres/minute at stansard conditions) value. The thing is I want to measure the flowrate of CO2 with that same device (it takes too long to acquire one that is set up for CO2). Is there a conversion factor I can use to convert SL/min (air) into SL/min (CO2)?

I tried ratios of densities and also molar masses, but I don't get a result that looks reasonable.

Any ideas?

Thanks
 
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A density ratio really should work: CO2 is denser than air, so it should give readings higher than actual.
 
Should be:

F2 = F1 * (S1/S2).5

Where:

F1 = Flowrate measured by device
F2 = Actual flow rate
S1 = Specific gravity flow meter is calibrated for
S2 = Specific gravity of gas going through meter

For example. You measure 100 SL/min on your meter which is calibrated for air. Specific gravity for air is 1. Specific gravity of CO2 is 1.57. Actual flow is 80.9 SL/min.

Edit for clarification:
The flow meter is calibrated for air at a specific temperature and pressure. The above assumes it's calibrated for standard conditions.

Also, the above could also be rewritten using densities for the gasses instead of specific gravity. Just replace density for S1 and S2 since specific gravity is nothing more than the ratio of density to air at standard conditions.
 
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Q_Goest said:
Should be:

F2 = F1 * (S1/S2).5

Where:

F1 = Flowrate measured by device
F2 = Actual flow rate
S1 = Specific gravity flow meter is calibrated for
S2 = Specific gravity of gas going through meter

For example. You measure 100 SL/min on your meter which is calibrated for air. Specific gravity for air is 1. Specific gravity of CO2 is 1.57. Actual flow is 80.9 SL/min.

Edit for clarification:
The flow meter is calibrated for air at a specific temperature and pressure. The above assumes it's calibrated for standard conditions.

Also, the above could also be rewritten using densities for the gasses instead of specific gravity. Just replace density for S1 and S2 since specific gravity is nothing more than the ratio of density to air at standard conditions.

Ok, that's what I got too. I knew I was on the right path. The experimental data I have so far is telling me (comparing the digital air flow meter to a float gauge CO2 flow meter) that the conversion factor is closer to 1.2, but I attribute this to the temperature and pressure. The CO2 is from a small cartridge and cools considerably as it expands, also th pressure to drive the flow is around 1 barg. Ok, I think I can find something, or at least get a close enough estimate. I should probably consider compressibility factors.

Thanks, as always, for the quick and thorough replies.
 
Is there a mistake in the calculation?

F2 = 100 * (1/1.57)^.5 = 79.80

so F2 does not equal 80.9?
 

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