Conversion from Polar to Cartesian (ellipse)

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around converting a polar equation of a conic section, specifically an ellipse, into its standard Cartesian form. The original poster presents the equation r = 1/(8 - 4sin(θ)) and seeks assistance in expressing it in Cartesian coordinates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definitions of r and sin(θ) in relation to Cartesian coordinates, questioning how to manipulate these definitions to facilitate the conversion. There are attempts to express r and sin(θ) in terms of x and y, and to apply the identity r² = x² + y². Some participants suggest multiplying both sides of the equation by (8 - 4sin(θ)) and substituting rsin(θ) with y.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various approaches and expressions derived from the original equation. Some have made progress toward a Cartesian form, while others express uncertainty about the order of operations and the next steps to take. There is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the application of identities, indicating that the problem may involve complex algebraic rearrangements. The original poster and others express uncertainty about the correct approach to take, highlighting the challenges inherent in converting between coordinate systems.

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Homework Statement


Convert the conic section to standard form. r=[tex]\frac{1}{8-4*sin(\theta}[/tex]

Homework Equations


x=rcos(\theta)
y=rsinx(\theta)

The Attempt at a Solution



r=[tex]\frac{1}{8-4*sin(\theta}[/tex]

[tex]r^2=\frac{1}{64-64*sin(\theta)+16sin^2(\theta)}[/tex]

r^2= x^2 + y^2

I can see the y=r*sin(\theta) but not the x!
 
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so what does r= according to the definitions and what does sin(theta)= according to the definitions? What can you do with that knowledge?
 
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I would multiply both sides by (8-4sin(theta)) and then you can replace rsin(theta) with y. And then you can use your identity r^2 = x^2 + y^2.
 
Antineutron said:
so what does r= according to the definitions and what does sin(theta)= according to the definitions? What can you do with that knowledge?

I came up with [tex]r= \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}[/tex] and [tex]sin(\theta)=y/r[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = \frac{1}{8-4sin(\theta)}[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = \frac{1}{8-(\frac{4y}{r})}[/tex]

[tex]x^2 + y^2 = 64 - \frac{64y}{r} + \frac{16y^2}{r^2}[/tex]

pretty sure I chose the wrong order of events there...



But when I tried the other suggestion I got pretty close to an answer:

I would multiply both sides by (8-4sin(theta)) and then you can replace rsin(theta) with y. And then you can use your identity r^2 = x^2 + y^2.

[tex]8r - 4rsin(\theta) = 1[/tex]

[tex]8r - 4y = 1[/tex]

[tex]8r = 1 + 4y[/tex]

[tex]r = \frac{1+4y}{8}[/tex]

[tex]r^2 = \frac{1+8y+16y^2}{64}[/tex]

[tex]x^2 + y^2 = \frac{1+8y+16y^2}{64}[/tex]

[tex]64x^2 + 64y^2 = 1+8y+16y^2[/tex]

[tex]64x^2 + 48y^2 - 8y = 1[/tex]

and this is where I get stuck because 48y^2 - 8y +/- ___
 
r= r/(8r-4y)

8r-4y=1
 

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