Converting a Lagrangian to a Hamiltonian

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The discussion revolves around converting a Lagrangian to a Hamiltonian for a system described by a specific Lagrangian function involving angular coordinates and their velocities, along with a potential term. Participants are exploring the implications of conserved quantities on the Hamiltonian formulation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relevance of conserved quantities, such as angular momentum, in the context of formulating the Hamiltonian. Some participants question whether these conserved quantities impact the transformation process. Others suggest focusing on expressing the Hamiltonian in terms of momenta rather than velocities.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and clarifications regarding the formulation of the Hamiltonian. There is a recognition that expressing the Hamiltonian in terms of momenta is essential, and some guidance has been offered on the necessary form of the Hamiltonian.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and relationships between Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics, particularly in the context of conserved quantities and their implications for the transformation process.

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Homework Statement
Convert to Hamiltonian
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$$L(\theta,\dot{\theta},\phi,\dot{\phi}) = \frac12ml^2((\dot{\theta})^2 + (sin(\theta)^2)\dot{\phi}^2) + k\theta^4$$
Given the following
$$L(\theta,\dot{\theta},\phi,\dot{\phi}) = \frac12ml^2((\dot{\theta})^2 + (sin(\theta)^2)\dot{\phi}^2) + k\theta^4$$

This is my attempt:
I am not understanding if the conserved quantities (like angular momentum about the z-axis) impacts my formulation of the Hamiltonian or is it irrelevant for the transformation. (EDIT: my last term below should be negative)
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Irrelevant
 
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As @wrobel says, the fact that ##p_{\phi}## is conserved does not affect the formulation of ##H##. However, you should express ##H## in terms of the momenta ##p_{\theta}## and ##p_{\phi}## instead of the "velocities" ##\dot \theta## and ##\dot\phi##.
 
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Hint: By definition the Hamiltonian , in general, has to be a function of momentum ##p## and general coordinate ##q##.

In your problem you need to get ##H(p_{\phi},p_{\theta}, \phi, \theta)##
 

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