Where Did I Go Wrong with Conserved Quantities in Double Pendulum Lagrangian?

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Homework Statement


Hi, I'm doing the double pendulum problem in free space and I've noticed that I get two different conserved values depending on how I define my angles. Obviously, this should not be the case, so I'm wondering where I've gone wrong.

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The Attempt at a Solution


For simplicity m=1 and r=1 in both cases for both bobs
If I choose to define both angles from the vertical then the Lagrangian is

## L=\dot{\theta}^2 +\dot{\phi}^2 +\dot{\theta}\dot{\phi}\cos{\theta - \phi} ##
for ## \theta \rightarrow \theta + \delta ## and ##\phi \rightarrow \phi + \delta ## ##f_{\theta}=1 ##, ##f_{\phi}=1 ##

Then the conserved angular momentum is

## Q= \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\theta}}+\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{\phi}} ##
## Q= 2\dot{\theta}+\dot{\phi}+(\dot{\theta} +\dot{\phi})\cos{\theta - \phi} ##

If we define the upper angle from the vertical and the second angle as measured from the first then the Lagrangian is

## L=\dot{\theta}^2+\frac{1}{2}(\dot{\theta} +\dot{\alpha})^2+\dot{\theta}(\dot{\theta}+\dot{\alpha})\cos{\alpha} ##

The conserved quantity is then

##Q= 4\dot{\theta}+2\dot{\alpha}+3\dot{\theta}\cos{\alpha} +\dot{\alpha}\cos{\alpha} ##

However if I sub in ## \phi= \theta + \alpha ## into Q it turns out these are not the same. Wondering where I have gone wrong.. Many thanks
 
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I have worked out my mistake. ##\alpha## should not be varied in the second case. Thanks :)
 

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