Converting this vector into polar form

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The discussion revolves around converting a vector representing the surface velocity of a moving spherical particle into polar form. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and implications of the equations presented in a referenced paper, focusing on the relationship between the surface velocity and polar coordinates.

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  • One participant questions how to derive the surface tangential velocity equation from the initial vector expression, suggesting a conversion to polar coordinates.
  • Another participant asserts that the fluid velocity at the particle's surface should have no radial component, providing a mathematical expression to support this claim.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of a coordinate system moving with the sphere, suggesting that if the sphere's radius remains constant, the radial velocity would indeed be zero.
  • Further contributions detail the mathematical steps involved in expressing the surface velocity in terms of polar coordinates, including the use of Legendre polynomials and their derivatives.
  • Participants provide specific expressions for the polar angle and the resulting equations, indicating a complex relationship between the variables involved.

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There is no clear consensus among participants. While some agree on the absence of a radial component in the velocity, others are focused on the mathematical derivation and the conversion process, leading to differing interpretations of the equations.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on definitions related to the polar coordinates and the properties of the Legendre polynomials. Some assumptions about the coordinate system and the nature of the velocity components remain implicit.

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I'd like to convert this surface velocity vector into the form I described. It might be just a matter of converting it into polar coords
In the following paper, the surface velocity for a moving, spherical particle is given as (eq 1):

$$\textbf{v}_s(\hat{\textbf{r}}) = \sum {2\over{{n(n+1)}}} B_n (\hat{\textbf{e}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}} \hat{\textbf{r}} - \hat{\textbf{e}}) P_n'( \hat{\textbf{e}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}})$$

where ##\hat{\textbf{r}}## is the preferred swimming axis (we consider that the sphere carries with it a fixed coordinate system that determines its preferred moving direction at each instant). ##\hat{\textbf{r}}## is a unit vector from the particle center to a point on the surface, we have the Legendre polynomials with $$P_n'$$ being the derivative of the n-th order Legendre polynomial, and $$B_n$$ is the amplitude of the corresponding mode.

They then (up to N=2) write the following expression for the surface tangential velocity, as a function of theta
$$\textbf{v}_s(\theta) = B_1 [sin(\theta) + {\alpha\over{2}} sin(2\theta)] \hat{\theta}$$
where $$\beta = B_2 / B_1$$.

How does one arrive at the second equation? Do you convert the first vector into polar coordinates? If so, how do you do this?

Thank you
 
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I do not go into the mathematics but I am convinced that velocity of fluid at particle surface has no radial component. In fact
\mathbf{\hat{r}} \cdot \textbf{v}_s(\hat{\textbf{r}}) = \sum {2\over{{n(n+1)}}} B_n (\mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot (\hat{\textbf{e}}\cdot \hat{\textbf{r}}) \hat{\textbf{r}} - \mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot\hat{\textbf{e}}) P_n'( \hat{\textbf{e}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}}) =0
where
\mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot \mathbf{\hat{r}}=1
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
I do not go into the mathematics but I am convinced that velocity of fluid at particle surface has no radial component. In fact
\mathbf{\hat{r}} \cdot \textbf{v}_s(\hat{\textbf{r}}) = \sum {2\over{{n(n+1)}}} B_n (\mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot (\hat{\textbf{e}}\cdot \hat{\textbf{r}}) \hat{\textbf{r}} - \mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot\hat{\textbf{e}}) P_n'( \hat{\textbf{e}} \cdot \hat{\textbf{r}}) =0
where
\mathbf{\hat{r}}\cdot \mathbf{\hat{r}}=1
That would make sense, I think. If we have a coordinate system moving with the sphere, and the sphere does not change in radius, surely the radial velocity would be zero
 
Rodger125 said:
How does one arrive at the second equation? Do you convert the first vector into polar coordinates? If so, how do you do this?
The authors describe the polar angle as
$$
\hat r \cdot \hat e = \cos(\theta)
$$
Therefore taking the sum,
$$
\mathbf u^s (\hat r)=B_1(\cos(\theta)\hat r - \hat e)P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))
$$
$$
+ \frac{1}{3} B_2(\cos(\theta)\hat r - \hat e)P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))
$$
with
$$
P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))=-\sin(\theta)
$$
$$
P_2^{'}(\cos(\theta))=-\frac{3}{2}\sin(2\theta)
$$
The sum becomes,
$$
-B_1(\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e)\sin(\theta) - \frac{1}{2} B_2(\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e)\sin(2\theta)
$$
The result follows if
$$
\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e=-\hat \theta
$$
 
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Fred Wright said:
The authors describe the polar angle as
$$
\hat r \cdot \hat e = \cos(\theta)
$$
Therefore taking the sum,
$$
\mathbf u^s (\hat r)=B_1(\cos(\theta)\hat r - \hat e)P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))
$$
$$
+ \frac{1}{3} B_2(\cos(\theta)\hat r - \hat e)P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))
$$
with
$$
P_1^{'}(\cos(\theta))=-\sin(\theta)
$$
$$
P_2^{'}(\cos(\theta))=-\frac{3}{2}\sin(2\theta)
$$
The sum becomes,
$$
-B_1(\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e)\sin(\theta) - \frac{1}{2} B_2(\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e)\sin(2\theta)
$$
The result follows if
$$
\cos(\theta)\hat r -\hat e=-\hat \theta
$$
Thank you!
 

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