Convolution Help: Understanding Integrals for 0≤t<1

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The discussion revolves around understanding the convolution of two signals, specifically focusing on the integral used for the time period 0≤t<1. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and graphical representation of the convolution process.

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  • One participant expresses confusion about the integral used in convolution for the specified time period and seeks clarification on how it is derived.
  • Another participant suggests that the focus should be on the equations of the lines representing the signals rather than just their heights, indicating that the convolution involves multiplying the equations of the signals.
  • A participant mentions the importance of understanding the resulting graph of y(t) and clarifies that it is not another input signal.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the flipping and shifting of the signals, and the need to derive the equations for integration based on the time intervals.
  • One participant offers tips for approaching convolution problems, emphasizing the identification of regions of integration and the significance of visualizing the signals' interactions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the convolution process, with some agreeing on the importance of signal equations while others remain unclear about specific steps and concepts. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the convolution problem.

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Participants mention different time intervals and equations for the signals, indicating that the discussion may involve multiple cases and conditions that affect the convolution process. There are also references to specific figures that may not be accessible to all participants.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals studying signal processing, particularly those looking to understand convolution integrals and the graphical interpretation of signals.

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Hi there, I'm having trouble convolving two signals, according to this site "http://cnx.org/content/m11541/latest/" " and its example, for the time period 0≤t<1 they've used the integral

yt=∫dτ between 0≤t<1.

My problem is, how did they get this integral?. I get that the height of the two signals is one, hence 1*dτ but I'm still hazy on this.

I'm working on a question where the graph looks like this.
[PLAIN]http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6834/myconv.png

but i don't know how to get the integral at the position?.
 
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Its not the height that they're looking at but rather the equation of the line for that section of time.

Since both of those signals appear as the straight line with equation y = 1, multiplied together (1*1) they give you the 'integral of 1'.

Your lines will have different equations, in different time periods.

Looking at Figure 4 shows an example of the different equations for different lines.
 
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I think that was the resulting y(t) graph. Not another input x(t) or h(t). I'm still a little confused of what to do.
 
My apologies, you're right there about Figure 4 being the answer and not a 2nd example.

So just to clarify, you had (red) f(t) and made it f(tau) and then flipped (blue) g(t) and made it g(t-tau), correct?

Now you're looking for the integral for the period of time of -2 <= t <= 1 correct?

Whats the equation of the line for red, from -2 to -1, using the dummy variable 'tau' instead of 't'? Do you remember the gradient 'm' being rise/run and the equation of the line being y = m*x + b (where 'b' is the y-intercept when x = 0) ?

Similarly, what's the equation of the line initially for blue? What happens to the equation of the line when you flip and shift it?

Now you should have two equations you can multiply together to get the equation for integration. Do you know the integration bounds for this section by the way?
 
do u have soln. to this question?

A quick tip before starting convolution questions.

1) Know the distance of your blue signal. i.e. blue line has a horizontal distance of 1.

this will make it easy for you know how to what's going on when u slide the curve into the other

2) Identify or try and visualise the regions of integration before starting. But how many ROA are here? -1<t<-2, then -1<t-1<-2, then 0<t<1, then 0<t-1<1, then 1<t-1<2, then after these cases the blue line lies outside the red so it is 0

NOTE:I PUT T-1 BUT FOR EASE OF VISUALISATION, HOWEVER WHEN CALCULATING YOU HAVE TO PUT ?<T<?. Don't Leave it as t-1

then proceed with your calculations.
 

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