Cooling Water in a Closed Container

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermodynamics of cooling water in a closed container, particularly focusing on the effects of evaporation and heat exchange between liquid water and water vapor. Participants explore the conditions under which the system reaches equilibrium and the implications of these conditions on temperature changes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario involving an open container where water evaporates, leading to a straightforward calculation of final temperature based on heat of vaporization and specific heat.
  • Another participant points out that in a closed container, there will be a temperature difference between the vapor and the liquid water due to the inability of vapor to escape, raising questions about how to quantify this effect.
  • Some participants emphasize the need to consider heat exchange with the container and the surrounding environment, suggesting that equilibrium conditions must include equal temperatures and total amounts of water.
  • A participant proposes a method involving the first law of thermodynamics to analyze the system's states before and after evaporation, questioning how work and heat exchange affect internal energy changes.
  • Another participant outlines a hypothetical solution involving a piston mechanism to control pressure and temperature, while also addressing latent heat of evaporation and the assumption of no net heat transfer.
  • There is a request for clarification on the initial and final states of the system without detailing the transition process, indicating a desire for precise definitions in the context of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding and assumptions regarding heat transfer and temperature changes in the closed container scenario. There is no consensus on the exact methodology or final outcomes, as multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their assumptions, such as the neglect of heat exchange with the container and the environment, and the need for precise definitions of initial and final states. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty about the dynamics of the system.

  • #31
Here's a focus problem for you to work on. You have 1 kg of liquid water, saturated at 50 C, sitting under the barrier in the large, rigid, adiabatic container, with vacuum above the barrier. You remove the barrier and allow the system to re-equilibrate. For the final equilibrium temperature of the resulting liquid water and water vapor mixgture to be 45 C,

1. What is the final mass of water vapor in the head space?
2. What is the total volume of the rigid container?

For using the steam tables to solve this, the applicable equations would be:
$$m_L+m_V=m_0$$
$$m_Lu_L+m_Vu_V=m_0u_{L0}$$
$$m_Lv_L+m_Vv_V=V$$
where ##m_0## is the original mass of liquid water (1 kg), ##u_{L0}## is the original internal energy per kg of the original liquid water at 50 C, V is the total volume of the rigid container, the lower case v's are specific volume (volume per kg) and where lower case symbols without subscript 0's refer to the final state..

Show that these equations can be reduced to:
$$u_L+x(u_V-u_L)=u_{L0}$$
$$v_L+x(v_V-v_L)=\frac{V}{m_0}$$
where x is the equilibrium mass fraction of vapor at the new temperature of 45C.
 

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