Pressure in Gases: Boiling Water in a Can Explained

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of a can collapsing when boiling water is heated inside it and then inverted into cold water. Participants explore the underlying physics of pressure changes, steam condensation, and the role of air displacement in this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant explains that boiling water changes it to steam, which pushes air out of the can, creating a situation where atmospheric pressure can crush the can once the steam condenses.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to heat the water to fill the can with steam, which has higher pressure due to increased particle collisions compared to air.
  • A third participant notes that cooling the can causes the steam to condense into water, resulting in a significant decrease in volume and pressure, which is more effective than simply cooling the air inside the can.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the can collapsing and the operation of Newcomen's Atmospheric Engine, highlighting the importance of rapid condensation in creating a vacuum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of heating the water to create steam and displace air, but there are nuances in their explanations regarding the mechanics of pressure changes and the effectiveness of the process. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the behavior of gases and the specifics of pressure changes that are not fully explored, such as the exact conditions under which the can collapses and the definitions of pressure in this context.

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A teacher heats some water in a drinks can until it is boiling and steam comes out of the can. She quickly turns the can over and puts it into some water. Explain in detail why the can collapses.

My solution will be: By boiling the water, the water changes state from liquid to gas, which is water vapor. The water vapor pushes the air that was originally inside the can out into the atmosphere. So there is less air and water in the can, but the water vapor in the can can still balance the atmospheric pressure, as it is hot means more particle collisions and higher pressure. When the can is turned upside down and placed in the water, all the water vapor quickly condense into drops of liquid in the can, this decreases the pressure. And so the much higher atmospheric pressure crush the can.

My questions is: Why can't we just put the can into the cold water? Why do we need to heat the water in it before? Can someone explain the whole process in detail, I don't completely understand the experiment. Thanks!
 
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ZiHao said:
My questions is: Why can't we just put the can into the cold water? Why do we need to heat the water in it before? Can someone explain the whole process in detail, I don't completely understand the experiment.
Your second paragraph explains the process very well. As you say, you need to fill the can with steam and displace the air. When you cool the can the steam condenses and creates a partial vacuum. If you just cooled the air without displacing it, the partial vacuum would not be sufficient to crush the can. The change in volume from steam at 100 °C to water at 10 °C is much much greater than the change in volume of air from 100 °C to air at 10 °C.
 
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The purpose of heating the water in the can is we need to fill the can with steam and displace the air, because the steam has higher temperature than air therefore more particle collision and higher pressure in the can. So when we cool the can , steam condenses to water, it takes up much less volume in the can than just cooling the air down if we have not heat the water in the can. And comparing heated water and place into the cold water, to just straight away put the can into the cold water, creating a low pressure environment ( as the steam condenses to water, there is less particles to collide with the wall of the can ), therefore a higher quality vacuum. Right?
 

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