Copper vs Aluminum Wires: Cost & Electrical Applications

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of copper versus aluminum wires in electrical applications, focusing on cost-effectiveness and the implications of electron flow in different types of wiring. Participants explore the technical aspects of wire conductivity, skin effect, and historical context regarding aluminum wiring.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why copper-coated aluminum wire is not more widely used, suggesting it could be more cost-effective than solid copper wire.
  • Others clarify that electrons flow near the surface of a wire primarily at high frequencies, implying that this phenomenon may not be relevant for standard electrical applications.
  • One participant notes that while copper-coated aluminum wire is used, it requires a larger gauge than solid copper for the same utility power, potentially complicating installation due to conduit size requirements.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the historical use of aluminum wiring, particularly its association with house fires in the 1970s, which may contribute to reluctance in adopting aluminum solutions despite potential cost savings.
  • A participant introduces the concept of waveguides, suggesting that their hollow structure is related to conducting electromagnetic radiation, which may relate to the discussion of electron flow in wires.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and safety of using aluminum wiring compared to copper, with no consensus reached on the best approach for electrical applications.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the frequency of electrical applications and the implications of skin depth, which may not be fully resolved. Historical context regarding aluminum wiring's safety issues is also noted but not universally accepted as a definitive reason against its use.

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If electrons flow on the surface of a wire, why isn't copper coated aluminum wire used in electrical applications instead of solid copper wire? It would be more cost effective
 
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Electrons only flow near the surface at very high frequencies and high frequency waveguides are hollow for that very reason.
 
Crazyhorse2882 said:
If electrons flow on the surface of a wire, why isn't copper coated aluminum wire used in electrical applications instead of solid copper wire? It would be more cost effective

It is used but the required gauge is two sizes larger (possibly increasing the needed conduit size) than solid copper for the same utility power (60hz skin depth is about 9 mm so for most commercial and residential wiring it's unimportant) application. Fires in houses build in the 70's with Al wiring has made many people reluctant to save maybe 20% on wire when wire is a small percentage of cost on most projects. (a 10 million dollar machine in a multi-billion dollar factory with 20K wire costs is a typical example)
http://www.commscope.com/docs/cca_solutions_br.pdf
 
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I think *waveguides* are hollow because they are conducting electromagnetic radation within the internal area in TM or TE mode.
 

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