Correct Application of Divergence Theorem?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the Divergence Theorem in a specific problem involving triple integrals and bounds. Participants are analyzing the setup and integration process related to a vector field and its divergence.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriateness of using the Divergence Theorem and the correctness of the bounds for integration. There are attempts to clarify the limits of integration and the setup of the integrals based on the geometry of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the integration and have pointed out potential errors in the bounds. There is ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of the integrals, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific bounds and the equations of planes that are relevant to the problem setup. Participants are questioning the correctness of their assumptions regarding the limits of integration and the relationships between the variables involved.

TranscendArcu
Messages
277
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5713/skjermbilde20111204kl11.png

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought it seemed appropriate to use divergence theorem here: I have,
div F = 0 + 1 + x = 1+x
I let that 0≤z≤c. If,

x/a + y/b = 1then y=b(1-x/a)
x/a +z/c = 1then x=a(1-z/c)

I have,

\int_0^a \int_0^{c(1-x/a)} \int_0^{b(1-x/a)} (1+x) dydzdx
\int_0^a \int_0^{c(1-x/a)} (x+1) b(1-x/a) dzdx
\int_0^a (x+1) b(1-x/a) c(1-x/a) dx

But here I get stuck because I can't integrate this. Do I have the wrong bounds or am I missing something?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
You can integrate this just fine, once you distribute everything. Your integral at the end is:

bc \int_0^a \left(1+x\right) \left(1 - \frac{x}{a}\right)^2 dx

That's going to factor out to a cubic, which is easily integrable.
 
TranscendArcu said:

Homework Statement


http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/5713/skjermbilde20111204kl11.png

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought it seemed appropriate to use divergence theorem here: I have,
div F = 0 + 1 + x = 1+x
I let that 0≤z≤c. If,

x/a + y/b = 1then y=b(1-x/a)
x/a +z/c = 1then x=a(1-z/c)

I have,

\int_0^a \int_0^{c(1-x/a)} \int_0^{b(1-x/a)} (1+x) dydzdx
Your upper limit on the dy integral is wrong. y should go from y = 0 to the y on the plane. Solve the equation of the plane for y. It should have both x and z in it.
\int_0^a \int_0^{c(1-x/a)} (x+1) b(1-x/a) dzdx
\int_0^a (x+1) b(1-x/a) c(1-x/a) dx

But here I get stuck because I can't integrate this. Do I have the wrong bounds or am I missing something?

It is wrong because of the above comment, but of course you should be able to integrate something like that. It is just a polynomial. All you have to do is multiply it out first.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
So does y=b(1- z/c - x/a)?
 
That sounds more likely to be correct, yes.
 
Okay. Let's see if I can do this. As above, I'll integrate in the order dydzdx.

\int_0^{b(1-z/c-x/a)}(1+x) dy = (x+1) b(-x/a-z/c+1)
= (1+x)*b \int_0^{c(1-x/a)} (-x/a-z/c+1) dz
= (1+x)*b*[(1/2)*c*(x^2/a^2-1)+c*(1-x/a)]
\int_0^{a} (1+x)*b*[(1/2)*c*(x^2/a^2-1)+c*(1-x/a)] dx= (1/24)*a*(a+4)*b*c

Hmm. I still feel like I missed something. Does it look about right?
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
11
Views
3K