Could the Bulk be a Hyperdrive?

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The discussion explores the concept of using the Bulk as a hyperdrive, examining theoretical implications, the nature of gravity, and the topology of branes. Participants engage with speculative ideas related to higher-dimensional physics and the potential for travel through the Bulk.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a deeper understanding of gravity is necessary to consider the Bulk as a hyperdrive.
  • There are claims that matter may be localized to a brane, which could render travel through the Bulk impossible.
  • One participant raises the importance of the brane's topology, noting that a flat universe analogy suggests that traveling through the Bulk might increase distance.
  • A participant references a warp drive concept, indicating that the Bulk plays a role in such theoretical models.
  • Concerns are expressed about the propagation of matter in the Bulk, with examples from orbifold GUTs indicating that some fields are confined to the brane.
  • Speculation arises about the possibility of constructing a ship from quarks that could exist in the Bulk, though practical challenges are highlighted.
  • One participant emphasizes that the discussion is purely speculative and expresses uncertainty about the feasibility of these ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the feasibility of using the Bulk as a hyperdrive. Multiple competing ideas and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in current understanding of gravity and the implications of brane topology, as well as unresolved questions about the behavior of matter in higher-dimensional spaces.

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Could the Bulk possibly be used as a hyperdrive?
 
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You'd have to understand gravity a whole hell of a lot better than we currently understand it...

Also, in models with a bulk, the matter is sometimes localized to a brane, so it might be utterly impossible.
 
I think that it would depend on the topology of our brane as well, but higher-dimensional topology is not something I know.

Still, if you look at the evidence for the visible universe being flat, and thinking about the analogy of a flat 2D brane in a 3D bulk; it seems to me that travel through the bulk would add distance onto your path.
 
BenTheMan said:
You'd have to understand gravity a whole hell of a lot better than we currently understand it...

Also, in models with a bulk, the matter is sometimes localized to a brane, so it might be utterly impossible.

I would think that there would be some way to get yourself off of a brane without ripping your strings off and closing them. If there was a hole in a brane, would you be able to go over it and float off, or would it be like a barrier, so you couldn't go in it?

FTL_Diesel said:
I think that it would depend on the topology of our brane as well, but higher-dimensional topology is not something I know.

Still, if you look at the evidence for the visible universe being flat, and thinking about the analogy of a flat 2D brane in a 3D bulk; it seems to me that travel through the bulk would add distance onto your path.

I meant if it had properties of hyperspace in fiction, such as particles traveling much faster, or higher lightspeed (even though there is no light in the bulk).

robousy said:
You are forgetting my warp drive. ;)

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0512/0512152v1.pdf

The bulk plays a role.

I never saw that... I know next to nothing about anything said in that, but it looks like the warp drive. I guess. :)

Would the Bulk possibly have the properties of hyperspace? And, if so, how could we get to it?
 
I would think that there would be some way to get yourself off of a brane without ripping your strings off and closing them. If there was a hole in a brane, would you be able to go over it and float off, or would it be like a barrier, so you couldn't go in it?

In many cases, matter JUST DOESN'T propagate in the bulk---there's no way around it.
Take a five dimensional orbifold GUT, for example---there are some fields which are stuck to the brane in the sense that they have no wavefunction in the fifth dimension. If the fields are stuck to the brane, there is absolutely no description of them off of the brane.

In some string models, matter is localized on a brane. In Type II strings, for example, open strings (by definition) end on a brane. So, again, there is no way to really describe an open string that DOESN'T end on a brane. As far as I know, the branes are space-filling and cannot have holes in them.

This said, there may be ways to do it. For example, in some orbifold GUT's, one can put one generation of SM quarks and leptons in the bulk, and two families on the brane. In this case, one could concievably build a ship out of top quarks, bottom quarks, and tau leptons, which would live in the bulk. Note that this is pretty hard to comprehend, considering that they can make only one top quark a second at LHC, and to get enough top quarks to do something with (not to mention the fact that they decay in a fraction of a second), you'd need ~10^25 or so.

You should beware that this is PURE speculation. (I wish I could write PURE in bigger letters!)

You are forgetting my warp drive. ;)

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0512/0512152v1.pdf

The bulk plays a role.

I remembered this paper, I just didn't want to link to it because people are sometimes funny about having there names associated with their online identities. I obviously don't care (people only have to look at my myspace page that is linked in my profile), but I didn't want to out you online :)

The way I remember it, you locally change the cosmological constant to ride a space-time wave, of sorts. Right? This would be ``understanding gravity a whole hell of a lot better than we do now''.
 
BenTheMan said:
In many cases, matter JUST DOESN'T propagate in the bulk---there's no way around it.
Take a five dimensional orbifold GUT, for example---there are some fields which are stuck to the brane in the sense that they have no wavefunction in the fifth dimension. If the fields are stuck to the brane, there is absolutely no description of them off of the brane.

In some string models, matter is localized on a brane. In Type II strings, for example, open strings (by definition) end on a brane. So, again, there is no way to really describe an open string that DOESN'T end on a brane. As far as I know, the branes are space-filling and cannot have holes in them.

This said, there may be ways to do it. For example, in some orbifold GUT's, one can put one generation of SM quarks and leptons in the bulk, and two families on the brane. In this case, one could concievably build a ship out of top quarks, bottom quarks, and tau leptons, which would live in the bulk. Note that this is pretty hard to comprehend, considering that they can make only one top quark a second at LHC, and to get enough top quarks to do something with (not to mention the fact that they decay in a fraction of a second), you'd need ~10^25 or so.
If only quarks are able to go through the bulk, would it carry you with it, or would you be left on our brane?
 

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