Could the Discovery of Faster-Than-Light Speed Rewrite Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of discovering particles or phenomena that can travel faster than the speed of light. Participants explore theoretical concepts, such as tachyons and wormholes, and their potential impact on the current understanding of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the discovery of faster-than-light travel could fundamentally alter physics, while others suggest it may only necessitate changes in textbooks.
  • There is a discussion about tachyons, with some arguing they could fit into the current framework of physics but could not carry information, while others question the existence of tachyons and their implications.
  • Wormholes are mentioned as hypothetical constructs that could allow for faster-than-light travel, but their existence is debated, with some theories supporting them and others denying it.
  • A participant describes the experience of traveling at the speed of light, noting that from that perspective, no distance or time is measured, raising questions about the nature of light and time.
  • Another participant suggests that if a particle were to exceed the speed of light, it would indicate significant issues with current physics, particularly if it were to accelerate from sub-light to super-light speeds.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of light potentially not traveling at the speed limit 'c', which could lead to complications in electromagnetic theory.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of tachyons and their properties, such as having imaginary mass, and question the assumptions underlying their theoretical existence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the implications of faster-than-light travel, with no consensus reached. Some agree that it could lead to significant changes in physics, while others maintain that it may not affect the fundamental principles of physics itself.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of light, time, and theoretical constructs like tachyons and wormholes, which remain unresolved and depend on differing interpretations of physics.

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if it was discovered that something can be made to travel faster than the speed of light, does that completely rewrite physics as we know it ?
 
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Yes.
 
Tachyon's might not be too bad as far as fitting into the current framework of physics, though they couldn't carry information (if they are to fit into the current framework).
 
thank you.
 
This is yet the least fictional theory on 'faster-than-light' I've found so far.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergosphere

I've just created a thread regarding that, and still waiting for answers.
 
Physics-Learner said:
Does that completely rewrite physics as we know it ?

No. Not physics. Perhaps some textbooks.
 
I don't think that anything that we could detect could travel faster than light, but say if you fell through a wormhole, you would be traveling at the speed of light, but you would be going faster than light as you've gone through a short cut
 
does physics think that wormholes exist ?

my understanding of a wormhole (at least from star trek) is that you travel from point a to point b through some mechanism whereby the actual distance traveled is less than what it otherwise would be ?
 
Physics-Learner said:
does physics think that wormholes exist ?

my understanding of a wormhole (at least from star trek) is that you travel from point a to point b through some mechanism whereby the actual distance traveled is less than what it otherwise would be ?

They're hypothetical and fit in some theories. There are also theories that discount their existence.

As to the main point, if we found a particle that traveled at a speed that was able to cross the speed of light boundary (that is, not tachyons since they travel exclusively at greater than the speed of light) in any significant way, I'd imagine there would be a massive overhaul required of physics. For example, if we detected a particle accelerating from 0.5c to 1.3c, something would be seriously amiss.
 
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What are you guys calling a tachyon, to be precise? In qft/string theory, getting a tachyon just means you're doing perturbation theory around a bad ground state, ie at the top of a potential "well", not the bottom.

There's absolutely no reason why the tachyon should exist (if that is the origin).
 
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i am sure that there are many things that people are astonished by regarding the speed of light.

but if my recall is correct, someone traveling on a beam of light will measure no distance traveled, and no time elapsed, while going from A to B. while others of course measure those distances in thousands of light years, and thousands of years in time. this is just in the direction in which he is heading.

but for this to be true, there is no distance or time for the person on the light beam. no matter where A and B are from an onlooker's perspective, the light beam measures no distance and no time.

so in effect, the light beam is everywhere at once. or nowhere at never.

i do suspect that time and light both play significant roles in stuff that we have yet to discover.
 
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Physics-Learner said:
but if my recall is correct

So you've traveled on a light beam before?
 
  • #14
yes, it was quite enLIGHTening.
 
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Physics-Learner said:
if it was discovered that something can be made to travel faster than the speed of light, does that completely rewrite physics as we know it ?
Maybe it could turn out to be light which doesn't travel at the limit speed c. In that case, physics wouldn't change a lot; the complications would be for what concerns electromagnetic fields, since Proca's equations should be substituted to Maxwell's equations.
 
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pervect said:
Tachyon's might not be too bad as far as fitting into the current framework of physics, though they couldn't carry information (if they are to fit into the current framework).
Why do you think that tachyons couldn't carry information? Perhaps because of grandfather-like paradoxes?
 
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Tachyons would have imaginary mass.

Photons have zero inertial mass, they are stuck at speed c and have two degrees of polarizations.
 

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