Could the Higgs boson have been discovered with earlier accelerators?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of confirming the existence of the Higgs boson with earlier particle accelerators, particularly the LEP collider, which operated at a maximum energy of 209 GeV. Participants explore the energy requirements for Higgs boson production and the implications of collision rates and background levels in the search for the Higgs boson, as well as the strategies employed by CERN in their investigations with the LHC.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the LEP collider could have confirmed the Higgs boson at 125.3 GeV, given its maximum energy of 209 GeV.
  • Another participant explains that the dominant production channel for the Higgs boson at LEP would require sufficient energy to produce both a Higgs and a Z-boson simultaneously, suggesting that LEP likely missed the Higgs boson.
  • There is a discussion about the energy required to observe the Higgs boson, with a participant stating it would be the sum of the Z-boson and Higgs boson masses, totaling 216.5 GeV.
  • Participants inquire about the minimum number of collisions required to achieve a five standard deviation significance for Higgs existence, noting that this depends on background levels.
  • There are differing estimates regarding the time required to observe 500 trillion collisions, with one participant suggesting it could take 224 years, while another proposes a more optimistic estimate of around 10 years, depending on operational conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of detecting the Higgs boson with earlier accelerators, particularly regarding energy requirements and collision rates. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the effectiveness of LEP in confirming the Higgs boson.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the energy spectrum of the Z boson is broad due to its short lifetime, which complicates the determination of a sharp threshold for Higgs boson detection. Additionally, the discussion highlights the dependence of collision significance on background levels, which are not quantified in the conversation.

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Could the Higgs boson have been confirmed with earlier accelerators?

The LEP collider operated at a maximum of 209 GeV. Could it have been used to confirm the existence of the 125.3 GeV Higgs boson?

I also read on Wikipedia that the CERN teams were apparently examining the 145–466 GeV range first in the search for the Higgs boson with the LHC, as they reported a year ago that no Higgs boson existed in that range, before examining the 125 GeV range that it's now found at. What is the reason for this? Was it considered more probably to find the Higgs boson in the 145–466 GeV range than in the 125 GeV range?

Thanks!
 
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With electron-positron collisions, you do not get a Higgs alone with a relevant rate. The dominant production channel is e^- e^+ \to Z \to ZH. For a reasonable rate, the energy has to be high enough to produce a Higgs (~126 GeV if LHC found it) and a Z-boson (~90 GeV) at the same time. As you can see, LEP probably just missed it.

I also read on Wikipedia that the CERN teams were apparently examining the 145–466 GeV range first in the search for the Higgs boson with the LHC, as they reported a year ago that no Higgs boson existed in that range, before examining the 125 GeV range that it's now found at.
They examined the whole range at the same time. In the range of 145-400 GeV, it is easier (requires less data) to exclude or find the Higgs boson, as it would decay into two W or two Z bosons quite frequently.
 
mfb said:
For a reasonable rate, the energy has to be high enough to produce a Higgs (~126 GeV if LHC found it) and a Z-boson (~90 GeV) at the same time. As you can see, LEP probably just missed it.
So the required collision energy to observe a H is the sum of the Z (91.2 GeV) and H (125.3 GeV) masses, 216.5 GeV?

Whats the minimum number of collisions (or samples) required to reach a five standard deviation significance for H existence? Tevatron place it at 125 GeV (halfway between their 115 and 135 range) with a 2.9 standard deviation significance from 500 trillion collisions[1].

How long does it take to observe 500 trillion collisions? The D0 experiment observe p+p collisions at a 1.7 M/s rate, meaning 9 years to observe 500 trillion collisions.
 
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John Peterson said:
So the required collision energy to observe a H is the sum of the Z (91.2 GeV) and H (125.3 GeV) masses, 216.5 GeV?
It is not a sharp line between "possible" and "impossible", as the Z boson has a very short lifetime and therefore a broad energy spectrum, but the general concept is correct.

Whats the minimum number of collisions (or samples) required to reach a five standard deviation significance for H existence?
That depends on the amount of background. It is impossible to give any number, if you do not know the background level.

How long does it take to observe 500 trillion collisions? The D0 experiment observe p+p collisions at a 1.7 M/s rate, meaning 224 years to observe 500 trillion collisions.
A simple division would yield 9 years. However, the 1.7MHz refers to beam crossings - each crossing can have multiple proton-antiproton collisions. Therefore, the collision rate is higher in operation, and lower during downtimes (of course :p), and the total time required to take this data is something like 10 years again.
 

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