Could the speed of light be different in different universes?

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The discussion centers around the concept of whether the speed of light could vary across different universes within a multiverse framework. Participants explore theoretical implications, particularly in relation to general relativity and the nature of physical laws in hypothetical universes.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if a multiverse exists, the speed of light might not be uniform across all universes, depending on the underlying physical laws.
  • Others argue that without a coherent theory of the multiverse, the properties of such hypothetical universes, including the speed of light, remain speculative and undefined.
  • A participant suggests that if the geometry of general relativity applies in other universes, scientists there could use units where c=1, implying no difference in the speed of light in those contexts.
  • Some responses indicate skepticism about the scientific validity of discussing the speed of light in speculative multiverse scenarios, emphasizing the lack of empirical evidence.
  • One participant distinguishes between different interpretations of the multiverse, specifically contrasting the Many Worlds Interpretation with Guth's bubble universes from inflation theory.
  • There is a reiteration that discussions about the multiverse often lead to confusion regarding its definition and implications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on whether the speed of light could differ in various universes. The discussion remains unresolved, with competing interpretations and skepticism about the scientific basis of the claims.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining the multiverse concept and the speculative nature of the claims regarding physical constants like the speed of light. There is an acknowledgment of the unobservable aspects of these theories.

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Assuming there is a multiverse, has the speed of light (or casuality) to be the same for all universes?
 
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If there exist a multiverse yes it is possible, there are kind of multiverse where also the mathematical structures can be differents ...
But personally I am skeptical on this topic...

ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
 
Sebastiaan said:
Assuming there is a multiverse, has the speed of light (or casuality) to be the same for all universes?
There's no good answer to that question. The problem is that we have no coherent theory that says that there might be such a thing as a "multiverse" (whatever that might be), and hence no clear description of one. Thus, the question you're asking is basically "What are the hypothetical properties of some hypothetical thing that, if it exists, will obey laws of physics that haven't been discovered yet?" and the answer to that question is "Who can say?".

One side note though: People sometimes confuse the altogether speculative multiverse idea withe the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics. MWI is a different thing, and if it's what you mean when you say "multiverse", the answer your question about the speed of light would be "The same, and by the way these multiple worlds aren't what you're thinking they are".
 
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Would it be fair to say that, if the geometry of GR applies in other universes, then scientists there could also use units in which c=1 and therefore there would be no difference?
 
GeorgeDishman said:
Would it be fair to say that, if the geometry of GR applies in other universes, then scientists there could also use units in which c=1 and therefore there would be no difference?
Yes.
 
GeorgeDishman said:
Would it be fair to say that, if the geometry of GR applies in other universes, then scientists there could also use units in which c=1 and therefore there would be no difference?
Yes.

But that's tantamount to saying that if this completely speculative and hypothetical other universe just happens to have a particular property (and there's no reason to think that it does or doesn't because it's completely hypothetical and speculative so we can speculate that it has whatever properties we find amusing to speculate about) than it will act as if it has that property.

This isn't science.
 
Nugatory said:
This isn't science.

... and, as a consequence, the question of whether the speed of light has a different value is also not scientific.
 
Assuming we are talking about multiverse in Everett's Many Worlds sense, different "worlds"/"branches" are basically different solutions to the same set of equations. As far as I understand they all have the same laws of physics (give or take). Some physical constants like particle masses may have been set due to symmetry breaking in the early universe and so might be different in other branches, but c is not one of them.

All of it is of course unobservable and therefore pure speculation.
 
Delta Kilo said:
Assuming we are talking about multiverse in Everett's Many Worlds sense
I was thinking in terms of Guth's bubble universes from inflation theory.
 
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OK, now that we've demonstrated to everyone's satisfaction that the term "multiverse" is not well-defined, we can close the thread.
 
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