Could time be movement in a 4th physical dimension?

In summary: However, from a quantum mechanical perspective, particles can exist in more than one place at the same time. So the model presented in your first paragraph cannot possibly describe the 'true' nature of the universe because it does not suit quantum mechanics.
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Let's say the universe exists as a collection of related static 3-d spaces, like in Julian Barbour's book The End of Time. Nothing ever actually moves. The illusion of movement comes from moving from one of these spaces to another which is closely related to the previous one. It's similar to the way flipping through frames of a film generates the appearance of movement.

OK, now in Barbour's picture you (or your consciousness, or focus of attention) somehow would have to move from one frame to another (unless you never move and just think you do, but that's another story). Also, these frames must physically exist, and be physically separated from each other.

Barbour doesn't seem to address this to my recollection, but what if they physically existed as 3-d spaces embedded in a larger 4-d space? Then, moving from one of the 3-d spaces to the next would require movement along the 4th physical dimension, and also would generate the illusion of time. That way, time is literally "moving into the 4th dimension" to the next frame. Only it doesn't feel like you're moving because the place you move to is almost exactly the same as where you were (i.e you're still sitting at your desk even though you're really moving), and you feel no acceleration because you are moving at a constant velocity.

I am just wondering if this conclusion follows from Barbour's assumptions, or if it has any application elsewhere.

Any thoughts? Could the velocity of this movement be changed? What if you are also rotating? What would that do?
 
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I can't say I'm an expert on physics, but from what I've read, the model presented in your first paragraph cannot possibly describe the 'true' nature of the universe because it does not suit quantum mechanics. On the quantum scale, particles cannot be considered to be 'static'. They do not have a place where they exist. We only know that if we try to find them, they might exist in certain places, but they might not. And if we don't try to find them, the particle behaves like it exists in more than one place.

The perception of time as a 4th dimension is rather standard in physics, since Albert Einstein's model of space-time. The 'speed' in which you move through time can be altered locally. This is known as 'time dilation'. Time dilation can be caused by movement in any of the 3 dimensions of space (any movement at all, but the effects are most noticeable at velocities approaching C) or by gravity.
 
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I can't say I'm an expert on physics, but from what I've read, the model presented in your first paragraph cannot possibly describe the 'true' nature of the universe because it does not suit quantum mechanics. On the quantum scale, particles cannot be considered to be 'static'. They do not have a place where they exist. We only know that if we try to find them, they might exist in certain places, but they might not. And if we don't try to find them, the particle behaves like it exists in more than one place.
Barbour addresses this issue in his book. I can't recall the details but he seemed to have a good explanation of how it can still work.

Syne said:
The perception of time as a 4th dimension is rather standard in physics, since Albert Einstein's model of space-time. The 'speed' in which you move through time can be altered locally. This is known as 'time dilation'. Time dilation can be caused by movement in any of the 3 dimensions of space (any movement at all, but the effects are most noticeable at velocities approaching C) or by gravity.

Time as the 4th dimension is a standard idea, yes. But usually it's not conceived of as being a spatial dimension just like the other 3. I am supposing that it's an actual spatial dimension - qualitatively the same as the others.
 
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1. What is the 4th physical dimension?

The 4th physical dimension is a theoretical concept in physics that suggests there may be an additional dimension beyond the three dimensions of length, width, and height that we experience in our daily lives. It is often referred to as "spacetime" and is a fundamental aspect of Einstein's theory of relativity.

2. How does time relate to the 4th dimension?

In the theory of relativity, time is considered to be the fourth dimension of spacetime. This means that just as we can move in three dimensions in space (forward/backward, left/right, up/down), we also move through time in a similar way. Time is not a separate entity but is intertwined with the three spatial dimensions in this theory.

3. What evidence is there for the existence of a 4th physical dimension?

Currently, there is no direct evidence for the existence of a 4th physical dimension. However, the theory of relativity has been extensively tested and has been shown to accurately predict the behavior of objects in our universe. This lends support to the idea of a 4th dimension, although it has not been directly observed or measured.

4. Could time really be a physical dimension?

This is still a subject of debate among scientists. Some theories, such as string theory, suggest that there may be more than four dimensions in our universe. However, others argue that time is not a physical dimension but rather a human construct used to measure the passage of events. Further research and experimentation are needed to fully understand the nature of time and its relationship to the physical dimensions.

5. How would a 4th physical dimension impact our understanding of the universe?

If a 4th physical dimension exists, it could potentially explain some of the mysteries of the universe, such as the nature of gravity and the behavior of objects at the quantum level. It could also have implications for our understanding of time travel and the possibility of parallel universes. However, more research and evidence are needed to fully understand the implications of a 4th dimension and its role in our universe.

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