Could Tungsten or Tantalum Replace Thorium in Nuclear Reactors?

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The discussion explores the potential use of Tungsten or Tantalum as alternatives to Thorium in nuclear reactors, focusing on the feasibility of various elements in nuclear energetics and their ability to undergo fission for energy production.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that any element heavier than Iron could theoretically undergo fission and produce energy.
  • Others argue that while spallation of any element is possible, it is inefficient and does not yield a net energy gain; efficient energy production relies on neutron chain reactions with specific isotopes.
  • It is noted that besides Uranium (U) and Thorium (Th), Plutonium can be economically fissioned, but other isotopes like Americium (Am) and Californium (Cf) are not produced in large quantities efficiently.
  • One participant mentions that there is no effective fertile element lighter than Thorium and highlights ongoing research into Curium (Cm) and Americium fuels, along with challenges related to their handling due to high radiation levels.
  • Another point raised emphasizes the requirement for isotopes to emit more than two neutrons per fission on average to be viable for energy production.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the feasibility of using Tungsten or Tantalum as nuclear fuels, with no consensus on their viability compared to Thorium.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes limitations related to the efficiency of energy production from various isotopes and the challenges associated with handling transuranic elements due to their radiation levels.

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What periodic elements could be used in nuclear energetics to obtain energy profit?
It seems that every element heavier than Iron could undergo fission and give energy?
Could be such element as Tungsten or Tantalum used as fuel instead of Thorium?
 
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You can spallate any element you like but the process is so inefficient it is impossible to have a net energy gain. The only way to make energy efficiently is through neutron chain reactions, and this only works for the few isotopes which have a large probability of fissioning when absorbing a neutron.

Besides U and Th, Plutonium can be made and fissioned economically, but that's pretty much it. There are other isotopes which are fissionable, such as Am and Cf, but we can't make these in large quantities efficiently.
 
There is no effective fertile element lighter than (or Z less than) Th.

Some research is being done on Cm and Am fuels, and some exotic ideas with Cf. One problem with those transuranics is that they must be fabricated and inspected remotely because of the radation levels (gamma, beta and spontaneous fission).

Cm and Am are produced in significant quantities in MOX fuel.
 
QuantumPion said:
Besides U and Th, Plutonium can be made and fissioned economically, but that's pretty much it. There are other isotopes which are fissionable, such as Am and Cf, but we can't make these in large quantities efficiently.

Quite right, however even more restrictive is the need for the isotope to emit more than 2 neutrons per fission on average.
 

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