Counting Number of Irreducibles

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of irreducible polynomials over the finite field Zp, specifically focusing on polynomials of the form x² + ax + b and general irreducible quadratic polynomials. Participants explore the definitions and properties of irreducibility in the context of polynomial rings.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the nature of irreducibility and the existence of units in Zp[x]. There are attempts to understand how to count irreducible polynomials by considering reducible ones. Questions arise about the implications of leading coefficients and the total number of polynomials in Zp[x].

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about units and irreducibility. Some guidance is offered regarding the counting of polynomials, but there is no explicit consensus on the final answers to the original questions.

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There is confusion regarding the definition of units in Zp[x] and the implications for irreducibility. Participants are also navigating the constraints of polynomial degrees and leading coefficients in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement
Let p be a prime.
(a) Determine the number of irreducible polynomials over Zp of the form x2 + ax + b.
(b) Determine the number of irreducible quadratic polynomials over Zp.

The attempt at a solution
A nonzero, nonunit polynomial f(x) in Zp[x] is irreducible if it equals the product of two polynomials in Zp[x], one of them being a unit of Zp[x]. But does Zp[x] have any units? I find it hard to imagine that there are polynomials g(x) and h(x) in Zp[x] with g(x)h(x) = 1, unless of course g(x) = h(x) = ±1.
 
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I find it hard to imagine that there are polynomials g(x) and h(x) in Zp[x] with g(x)h(x) = 1.

just considering the leading terms of g and h will show you this is a trivial statement.

You could also try counting the reducible quadratics, since that is also easy.
 
I think I understand: Let axm and bxn be the leading terms of g(x) and h(x). If g(x)h(x) = 1, then abxm+n must equal 0 so ab must equal p but this is impossible. It follows that Zp[x] has no units so the answer both (a) and (b) is 0?
 
Oh, and how does counting the reducible quadratics help in counting the irreducible ones?
 
How long did you think about that (the counting irreducibles)?
 
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Not long. However, something just occurred to me: There are p3 polynomials in Zp[x] so the number of irreducibles is just p3 minus the number of reducibles. Is that right?
 
There are *not* p^3 polys in Z_p[x] - there may be p^3 in some subset of that. But it is certainly true that a poly is either reducible or irreducible, and not both, so if you know how many in total there are, and how many of one type, then you know how many of the other there are.

And there are not p^3 quadratics, if that was what you meant, since the leading coefficient has to be non-zero.
 
Yes, I did mean p3 quadratics. Sorry about that. So would (p - 1)p2 be a better estimate?

I'm confused though: If Zp[x] doesn't have any units (cf. my second post), how can there be irreducible polynomials?
 
In what way does x not satisfy the definition of irreducible? How are you going to write that as a product of two other polynomials of strictly smaller degree. And why are there no units? You even wrote out 2 units in your first post.
 
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x is irreducible since the only way to write it as a product g(x)h(x) is by setting g(x) = 1 and h(x) = x or vice-versa and 1 is a unit. I understand that.

When I wrote "Zp[x] doesn't have any units", I meant nonconstant units. I can't think of an example unit in Zp[x] that is nonconstant. This is probably why I wrote that there aren't any.
 

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