Covariant derivative of vector fields on the sphere

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the covariant derivative of vector fields on the sphere, specifically calculating the derivatives of two vector fields, ##W_ρ## and ##U^ρ##, and verifying a related equality involving these derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations of the covariant derivatives and the verification of the equality involving these derivatives. There is an exploration of the terms involved in the equality and the implications of index notation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is progressing with participants clarifying the necessary steps to verify the equality. Some participants have provided guidance on ensuring that all terms are accounted for in the summation, while others are confirming their understanding of the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of index notation and the implications of covariant derivatives in the context of vector fields on a sphere. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the matching of indices in the expressions being evaluated.

Whitehole
Messages
128
Reaction score
4

Homework Statement


Given two vector fields ##W_ρ## and ##U^ρ## on the sphere (with ρ = θ, φ), calculate ##D_v W_ρ## and ##D_v U^ρ##. As a small check, show that ##(D_v W_ρ)U^ρ + W_ρ(D_v U^ρ) = ∂_v(W_ρU^ρ)##

Homework Equations


##D_vW_ρ = ∂_vW_ρ - \Gamma_{vρ}^σ W_σ##
##D_vU^ρ = ∂_vU^ρ + \Gamma_{vσ}^ρ U^σ##

##\Gamma_{φφ}^θ = -sinθ~cosθ, ~~~~~\Gamma_{θφ}^φ = \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}##

The Attempt at a Solution


I've calculated all the problem asked as

##D_θW_θ = ∂_θW_θ, ~~~~~~~ D_θW_φ = ∂_θW_φ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φ##

##D_φW_θ = ∂_φW_θ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φ, ~~~~~~~ D_φW_φ = ∂_φW_φ + sinθ~cosθ~W_θ####D_θU^θ = ∂_θU^θ, ~~~~~~~ D_θU^φ = ∂_θU^φ + \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}U^φ##

##D_φU^θ = ∂_φU^θ - sinθ~cosθ~U^φ, ~~~~~~~ D_φU^φ = ∂_φU^φ + \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}U^θ##

For the check,

##(D_θW_φ)U^φ + W_φ(D_θU^φ) = (∂_θW_φ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φ)U^φ + W_φ(∂_θU^φ + \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}U^φ)##

The second and the fourth term obviously cancels so it satisfies the equality.

I'm stuck here,

##(D_φW_θ)U^θ + W_θ(D_φU^θ) = (∂_φW_θ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φ)U^θ + W_θ(∂_φU^θ - sinθ~cosθ~U^φ)##

The second and the fourth term do not cancel each other, also U and W doesn't match each others subscript/superscript. What I'm thinking is to transform either U or W so that the subscript/superscript will match but I'm not sure how to do it. Any suggestions?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Whitehole said:
For the check,

##(D_θW_φ)U^φ + W_φ(D_θU^φ) = (∂_θW_φ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φ)U^φ + W_φ(∂_θU^φ + \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}U^φ)##
The left hand side is not the complete expression that you want to look at. You need to write out the left side of ##(D_v W_ρ)U^ρ + W_ρ(D_v U^ρ) = ∂_v(W_ρU^ρ)##. Note the summation over the index ##\rho## while the index ##v## is held fixed.
 
TSny said:
The left hand side is not the complete expression that you want to look at. You need to write out the left side of ##(D_v W_ρ)U^ρ + W_ρ(D_v U^ρ) = ∂_v(W_ρU^ρ)##. Note the summation over the index ##\rho## while the index ##v## is held fixed.
What do you mean it is not complete? Do you mean, the right hand side? I forgot that it is a summation on ρ.

##(D_θW_θ)U^θ + (D_θW_φ)U^φ + W_θ(D_θU^θ) + W_φ(D_θU^φ) = ∂_θW_θU^θ + ∂_θW_φU^φ - \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φU^φ + W_θ∂_θU^θ + W_φ∂_θU^φ + \frac{cosθ}{sinθ}W_φU^φ##

It should be like this right? Then for the case where ##D_φ##, I can already see that the terms that I thought will not cancel, should already cancel.
 
That looks good.
 
TSny said:
That looks good.
Thanks for the reminder!
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
6K
Replies
7
Views
21K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
16K
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 33 ·
2
Replies
33
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
8K