Create Standing Waves with Antinodes at the Ends

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of standing waves, specifically exploring the possibility of having antinodes at the ends of a medium instead of the typical nodes. Participants consider different physical systems, such as vibrating strings and air columns, to investigate how this might be achieved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that standing waves typically have nodes at the ends and question the feasibility of having antinodes instead.
  • Others suggest that oscillations of an air column in an open pipe could serve as a better analogy for achieving antinodes at the ends.
  • One participant argues that it would not work with a vibrating string due to insufficient endpoints, while another agrees that the open-ended air column is a more useful example.
  • Some propose that clamping a more rigid object, like a metal rod, in the center could allow for the creation of antinodes at the ends.
  • A suggestion is made to tie the end of a string loosely to a transverse rod, allowing the string to slide freely, which could facilitate the formation of antinodes.
  • It is mentioned that the equations of motion for a vibrating rod differ from those of a vibrating string, indicating a more complex behavior while still producing nodes and antinodes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of creating standing waves with antinodes at the ends, with some supporting the idea through various physical examples while others remain skeptical, particularly regarding vibrating strings.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the mathematical or physical implications of their proposals, and the discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of different mediums.

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From what I've seen, standing waves (which are really cool looking) have nodes (no displacement) at either end. What would happen if antinodes were at the ends instead of nodes? What could you do to make this happen?
hmmm...
 
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Look up oscillations of an air column in an open pipe.

Link: http://www.cord.edu/dept/physics/p128/lecture98_34.html
 
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huh said:
What would happen if antinodes were at the ends instead of nodes?

I don't see how this would work with a vibrating string, since there are not enough end points... the air column is a more useful example of standing waves in that respect.
 
Obviously you couldn't really do it with strings. The open-ended air column is the best analogy, or just look at half of a string.
 
It can be done if you clamp something more rigid like a metal rod in the centre.
 
Tie the end of the string loosely to a transverse rod so the loop of string can slide freely along the rod.
 
Wow. That's cool. Thanks :)
 
Kurdt said:
It can be done if you clamp something more rigid like a metal rod in the centre.

The equations of motion for a vibrating rod are fourth order, so it would be a bit different from a vibrating string. However, you still get to see nodes and anti-nodes.
 

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