Creating a Numerical Model for a falling Ball

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around creating a numerical model in Excel to approximate the drag coefficient of a falling ball, based on recorded drop time and distance. The problem involves understanding the forces acting on the ball and applying appropriate equations of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of constant acceleration equations and the challenges faced in calculating subsequent values. There is mention of using distance intervals instead of time intervals, and some participants express confusion about the methods employed.

Discussion Status

Several participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's attempts. There is a recognition of the need for clearer presentation of work, and some guidance has been offered regarding the format of submissions. However, there is no explicit consensus on the approach being taken.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster may have used an incorrect range for the drag coefficient and that there are specific instructions regarding the use of distance intervals for calculations. There is also a mention of the expectation to adjust the drag coefficient until the estimated time aligns closely with the actual time.

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Homework Statement


A ball was dropped through a known vertical distance with the time of drop also recorded. The aim of the task is to create a numerical model in excel in order to approximate the drag coefficient.

Homework Equations


This is my method.

1. FBD for the ball falling. (assume forces only acting in y direction)
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(note approx range for Cd (drag coefficient) may be wrong as a different ball was used.

2. Spreadsheet.
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The aim is here that we use calculate the values for v,a,Fd and t for the 0.01 intervals of y.
Since we use small intervals for y we can use constant acceleration equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


Originally I tried some of these constant a equations although I seemed to overlap and could not work out the next values. I then tried to start at the end however this also did not work. The aim is to work out a value for Cd (drag coefficient) where tend = 0.5.

Looking at some material on the web it claims to use time intervals although we have been instructed to use y intervals (distance intervals).

(NOTE: It was suggested we adjust Cd value until estimated time is close to actual time.)
 
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cavalieregi said:
I tried some of these constant a equations although I seemed to overlap and could not work out the next values.
It's hard to comment if you don't show what you actually did.
 
haruspex said:
It's hard to comment if you don't show what you actually did.

I think I may of finally got it. So here is my attempt attached and the formulas I used.

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Attachments

You're not supposed to post handwritten equations as images. Images are for diagrams and printed text. Much better for those trying to read and comment to type in your working.
Anyway, it looks ok except you've forgotten something in the vi+1 line.
 
haruspex said:
You're not supposed to post handwritten equations as images. Images are for diagrams and printed text. Much better for those trying to read and comment to type in your working.
Anyway, it looks ok except you've forgotten something in the vi+1 line.

Sorry I forgot to square root the entire RHS right?
 
cavalieregi said:
Sorry I forgot to square root the entire RHS right?
Yes.
 

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