Creating a positron and a electron with a photon

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The discussion revolves around the concept of photon interactions and the conditions under which a photon can create a positron and an electron. The original poster attempts to demonstrate that a photon cannot create these particles on its own due to conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of conservation of momentum and energy in the context of photon interactions. Questions arise regarding the existence of a photon with zero momentum and the conditions necessary for particle creation when introducing a heavy atomic core.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide insights into the limitations of photon energy and momentum, suggesting that the introduction of a heavy nucleus could change the dynamics of the interaction. There is an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in determining the momentum of the created particles.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of the problem, including the assumptions about the energy and momentum of the photon and the conditions under which particle creation is considered. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the implications of these assumptions.

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Homework Statement


Hi everybody. I have to demostrate that a photon, no matter it's energy, will never be able to create a positron and an electron on it's own.

Homework Equations


E=Sqrt(m^2+p^2) as long as c=1
Conservation of energy Ei=Ef; initial energy is equal to final energy.
Conservation of momentum Pi=Pf; initial momentum is equal to final momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


This violates the conservation of momentum because if we go to the centre of mass, the photon will have momentum E; but in the same system, the total final momentum will be zero.
Is this enough to demostrate that the desintegration of a photon on its own in two particles is impossible?[/B]


Thanks for reading
 
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Should be fine if you add that a photon with energy E and 0 momentum does not exist.
Alternatively, find a frame where the photon energy is too low.
 
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mfb said:
Should be fine if you add that a photon with energy E and 0 momentum does not exist.
Alternatively, find a frame where the photon energy is too low.
Thanks for the anwser.

I am also trying to demostrate that if we introduce a heavy atomic core, this will be possible, but the energy of the nucleus will be almost zero. All I can think of is that the core has the same momentum that the photon had before the colision; and since the mass of the core is huge compared with the energy of the photon, the energy of the core will be almost is mass; but I am not very sure if I can say that the electron and positron are created at rest.
 
Frank Einstein said:
but I am not very sure if I can say that the electron and positron are created at rest.
They don't have to, but they can. Usually their combined momentum points (roughly) in the same direction as the photon momentum, so the momentum transfer to the nucleus is even smaller than the photon momentum.
 
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Then I can solve the exercice properly. Thanks.
 

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